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Katie: Hey, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. And this episode is all a couple of holistic strategy to hair loss. And it takes a very distinctive angle that I’ve not seen addressed earlier than. I’m right here with two folks I like very a lot and take into account extremely, extremely sensible. The primary is Ian Mitchell, who has formulated many merchandise, together with a number of which can be very a lot part of my each day life now and has additionally formulated this hair treatment that addresses hair loss in a manner that I’ve by no means seen earlier than and with fairly excessive outcomes. And I’m additionally right here with Dr. Tami, who’s the creator of “The Hormone Secret.” She is a doctor, and a mother, and has specialised in each beauty drugs and now in stem cell drugs. She’s extremely sensible and actually helps folks deal with the underlying reason behind every kind of issues. She likes to say that fantastic is a four-letter phrase when folks ask how you’re and she or he actually strives to assist folks discover limitless power and well being. And I’m actually excited to share her with you at the moment. So, with out additional ado, let’s soar in and perceive hair loss.

So, on this episode, we’re tackling a subject that I believe is admittedly necessary I’ve not tackled on right here but, which is the subject of hair loss. We all know this impacts a number of girls and a number of males, actually. It’s one thing that individuals in my life have struggled with. And I really feel like there’s a number of misinformation on the subject of hair loss and a number of therapies that appear probably harmful, or a minimum of not efficient. And so, I’m actually excited at the moment to essentially delve into the roots of hair loss and likewise discuss some options that may be actually efficient. And I’m right here with Ian Mitchell and Dr. Tami who I’m attending to see in individual after not seeing her for years, such a deal with, and two of the very best folks I can consider on the planet to speak about this at the moment. So, to begin broad like we often do, I wanna go into, sort of, what’s happening physiologically within the physique after we’re seeing hair loss. Is it single trigger? Is it multi-cause? What are a few of these, to make use of the pun, roots which can be happening within the physique after we’re speaking about hair loss?

Ian: Okay. So truly, I believe I can soar in with a portion of that as a result of we’ve checked out it from a number of totally different approaches in say, with males, usually, everybody appears at dihydrotestosterone and 5-alpha-reductase, and the ratios and the balances there. However that’s truly sort of, because it seems, extra of a tertiary operate. It’s not likely even the secondary trigger. And it’s undoubtedly associated. And you’ll see how these issues correlate. However correlation, as we all know, doesn’t all the time equal causation. And so our strategy has been to have a look at what we thought can be the foundation once more, to make use of the pun, the foundation reason behind the difficulty. And, you realize, I all the time say this, however it’s that Henry David Thoreau quote, if you realize it, “For each thousand hacking on the branches of evil, there’s one hacking on the root.” That’s who you wanna be is addressing what’s actually going to elicit the most important response with the minimal effort so you may get the most important yield for folks.

So, what we’re taking a look at is how will we up-regulate intracellular operate? As a result of the physique needs to do what it’s designed to do, proper? And follicular cells are not any totally different. When you present them with the sources, they don’t need to be in an clever or catagen section. They, you realize, need to be in an antigen progress cycle, pumping out hair. That’s what they’re designed to do. And so, we’ve checked out how to do this and give you what I might say is classed extra as a holistic strategy however in actuality, the science simply is excellent and it’s wanting on the mix of detoxing pathways and how one can stimulate upregulation of ATP whilst you’re down-regulating cytokine responses so that you simply create essentially the most conducive setting in direction of selling the expansion. And so, it wasn’t…you realize, you had been asking, is it one single level? It’s not. Like with something within the physique, it’s, you realize, multivariate, multifunctional techniques.

And so, we needed to deal with an entire host of various issues to beat the difficulty. And I’d say truly, we’ve achieved a surprisingly good job of doing that. However once more, we had to have a look at it by way of chemical pathways, detoxing pathways, photonic upregulation utilizing lights at particular frequencies to stimulate cytochrome. And there’s a litany of actually good research. I believe what we’ve achieved is mix all the finest parts collectively in a single system, you realize, to get the difficulty handled and stuck up and fairly effectively. And Tami, I believe you possibly can most likely elucidate issues by way of, you realize, the organic parts of the totally different cycles. So have at it.

Dr. Tami: Nicely, you realize, hair loss impacts everyone in another way however I believe that we underestimate how a lot it impacts the folks which can be getting affected. Over 50% of girls over the age of 45 have hair loss. And I do know you realize who you’re. Your ponytail holder goes round 4 occasions now as an alternative of two or three. And males truly can have hair loss as early as their 20s. And it undoubtedly is a multifactorial factor. We do have hormones concerned. We’ve vitamin. We’ve circulation. We’ve detoxing. We’ve power of the particular cell. And so there’s a number of therapies, over-the-counter and prescriptive, however I don’t know any of them…And I’m an MD and so I’m gonna take a look at it medically irrespective of if it’s over-the-counter or a prescription. I don’t know of any “therapy” that doesn’t have a bunch of probably actually scary negative effects. You realize, issues like disrupting your entire hormone pathways in women and men, making your entire system shut down with regard to libido. There’s so many. I might go on and on and on, and even the topical ones are having these negative effects as effectively.

Then now we have people who find themselves similar to, “Nicely, I’m simply not gonna bathe as a lot,” or, “I’m simply not gonna brush my hair as a lot.” Nicely, what you’re actually doing is you’re simply not permitting the hairs which can be already dislodged from the follicle to fall out, you aren’t saving any hairs by not showering. You’re not saving any hairs by not brushing. There’s truly 4 phases of hair progress. There’s three which can be fashionable, however there’s truly a…popularly talked about, however there’s a fourth one. There’s the antigen section, which is the energetic progress section. And that’s the one the place your hairs are most prone to hair loss from like laser hair elimination, but additionally they’re going to develop extra. So, any therapy that you’ve got, and if you happen to’re utilizing the system that we’re speaking about, which is restore hair loss, you then’re going to have to make use of it for sufficient time for the hairs to undergo all of the phases as a result of not your entire hairs are within the antigen section at one time. In the event that they had been, then they’d all be within the exigent section, which is the falling out section.

After which we’d be like Phoenix, proper? We’d molt. That wouldn’t work. So, there’s the antigen section. And you then go to the catagen section, which is that this resting transitional section the place your hairs have stopped their energetic progress, however they’re preparing and so they haven’t fallen out but. After which you could have the telogen section the place that’s truly the place it’s dislodging. After which the exigent section is when it truly falls out. And that’s all you’re doing is you’re simply serving to the exigent section if you’re brushing. However I need you to know that circulation is admittedly necessary. You do must have circulation as one of many many components that can assist your hair develop. So, now we have a system that has a derma curler as a result of it will increase the blood circulate to your scalp. And that’s tremendous necessary. Not solely does that assist your entire system…Even if you happen to simply did that, that will be useful. Nevertheless it additionally will assist the serum as a result of extra blood circulate helps the circulation and helps it get it into the scalp extra typically and extra ceaselessly and penetrate higher.

Katie: And I believe for folks listening on the subject of hair loss or hair progress and perhaps understanding these hair cycles, one instance which may come to thoughts for them is being pregnant. As a result of I do know having had youngsters myself, it looks as if throughout being pregnant, my hair would get actually, actually thick. So I’m guessing there’s a distinction within the cycles or one thing’s taking place there. After which a number of girls expertise postpartum hair loss. So are you able to clarify what’s happening or what adjustments throughout being pregnant and any manner that that may be relevant to our understanding of stopping hair loss?

Dr. Tami: That’s a hormone base. So, when you could have your being pregnant, you could have a excessive stage of progesterone and your estrogen are secure, and it’s not fluctuating up and down. So your hairs sort of get caught into this excellent full and nothing’s falling out. However then you could have your child and the whole lot flows. And often, girls begin to discover that their hair actually adjustments when their intervals begin coming again. You may see after being pregnant that your hair does begin to fall out proper after the newborn as a result of that’s when your hormones go down. And hormones are a part of hair loss in women and men. And so we need to be sure that if you’re going to guage hair loss, we need to know slightly bit about it. We need to educate you. Once you opt-in to get one thing that’s going that can assist you develop your hair, you also needs to be given some training about all the assorted elements, and hormones must be one in every of them. Vitamin must be one other one, like I mentioned, circulation, after which the ATP and the mitochondria and getting the power in order that your cells can truly make new hair.

Ian: So, there are a few attention-grabbing hacks that we’ve checked out. So we’ve damaged issues down by way of the kits of methods to do it as quick, quicker, and quickest. And quickest is sort of humorous to me since you use photonics. And so, mainly what occurs is you’re taking LEDs, and LEDs at round 670-nanometer bandwidth will have an effect on the cell cycle. And they also photonically stimulate the cell cycle. They hit a factor known as cytochrome after which they bump nitric oxide out of the way in which and exchange it with a pleasant oxygen. And so it’s successfully forcibly transferring the oxidative phosphorylation, the electron transport chain by way of. And so you find yourself with greater rapidity within the progress cycle. So it seems that it’s truly going actually quick. However mainly what you’re doing is you’re overclocking your intrinsic mobile progress cycle. And so, if you mix that with a few of the different issues that we’re doing, just like the scalp masks, which it’s a once-a-week course of the place you detoxify the follicles.

So, we’re pondering if you happen to strategy it from the surface and also you take away all of the issues like, you realize, the parabens and the totally different stuff that you simply’re truly additively putting if you wash your hair and also you clear and you set merchandise in it, if you take away that, a number of the expansion will get suppressed simply since you’re inhibiting your physique’s regular cycles, proper? It’s going to provide issues, oil goes to return out. However if you happen to inhibit that with a number of chemical components, you could have each the chemical stress along with truly mechanical stress positioned on it by not having correct viscosity in varied small areas like follicles. And little adjustments like which can be additive. And within the quickest setup, we use the photonics to try to set off the cycle in order that it bumps up the tempo. So it has the looks…and I’m positive we may give you some photos you possibly can publish. However when folks see it, they assume, “Nicely, that’s not potential. You may’t develop hair that quickly.” Yeah, truly, you possibly can, it’s simply artificially stimulating the cell cycle to course of by way of. And so it has the web impact of upregulating ATP manufacturing, dropping the cell cycle occasions. And so, on the finish of the day, you appear to be you could have much more hair than you need to have in a a lot shorter interval, as is evidenced by, you realize, the photographs. And, admittedly, it’s slightly stunning.

However if you strategy it systemically and say, “Okay, we’ve gotta take out the chemical stress so we will clear the setting in order that the cells can truly do it.” We did a bunch of issues utilizing totally different minerals to detoxify the system and likewise to dam oxidative stress contained in the cells. And the web impact of that, it’s similar to another initiatives I’d labored on the place we began taking a look at sub-cellular constraints by way of ATP manufacturing. And we figured oh, effectively, we cannot actually add power into the system like we’re doing with photons, we simply can merely hold it from shedding the power that it inherently has. So that you simply make the physique operate extra successfully by blocking system loss. So if you block the loss and also you add in additional power, you find yourself with a web impact the place the whole lot is transferring a lot extra quickly that it appears like this, sort of, magical twist however it’s actually not. It’s simply, sort of, synergistic additive results of various stimulation.

Katie: I really like that you simply guys contact on the detoxing facet as a result of this was truly one thing I went actually deep on when researching for our haircare merchandise, realizing we all know as girls we’re uncovered to a number of chemical substances by way of private care merchandise. And a overwhelming majority of these are haircare merchandise. And it’s, sort of, an ideal storm as a result of we’re stripping our pure oils with a number of these actually harsh detergents. After which many ladies are spraying aerosols, and parabens, and plastics immediately on our hair and our scalp. After which it’s a continuing stage of publicity, our scalp is uncovered to those all day, daily. And people do construct up we’re now understanding. And so, I used to be excited to deal with that from the haircare facet. However that alone isn’t going to reverse the hair loss points. That was why I used to be so excited to essentially delve into this with you guys. And I believe there’s so many instructions to go from right here.

However I really like that you simply introduced up, Tami, the vitamin aspect and the hormone aspect as effectively. And I do know it’s very a lot a each/and dialog. However I believe it’s additionally necessary to speak about that aspect slightly bit to sort of get the holistic understanding of that as a result of typically on-line, I see sources simply speaking about, “Oh, simply take biotin and that’ll repair it.” And that makes me nervous with my background in genetic analysis as a result of if you take particularly an remoted vitamin like that in megadoses, it could actually throw a number of different issues out of steadiness, or in some folks, there are genes that reply actually negatively to extra biotin. And that appears to be the mainstream hair loss recommendation. So are you able to, sort of, give us a primer on the hormone aspect and the vitamin aspect?

Dr. Tami: Completely. And only one little tidbit on the detox aspect as effectively. You realize, there’s hair care merchandise which can be clear and so they’ll take away all of that junk out of your hair. However we neglect that these chemical substances truly enter into the cells of your scalp and into the follicles. And so that you simply truly must detox your cells. And so it’s virtually like that you simply do must have a masks or some sort of a serum that pulls out the chemical substances which were saved or leached into your cells. So, simply bear in mind, clear hair isn’t detoxed hair.

So, I really like hormones. My favourite hormone for girls is testosterone as a result of no one ever thinks about it. They don’t discuss it and we’d like it, and slightly tiny bit has an outsized function in how we glance, really feel, and performance. However testosterone isn’t the tip of our hormone story. Testosterone can develop into different issues and it could actually develop into estrogen, it could actually develop into dihydrotestosterone, and it could actually develop into different estrogens.

And the beauty of hormone cascade is that it’s like going from one step to a different step that could be a key’s required for that step to occur. And the bottom line is usually a vitamin or a mineral. They’re known as coenzymes. However the issue is, is that if you happen to simply begin randomly taking issues, like Katie was saying, that you simply don’t know when you’ve got that lacking coenzyme. And you’ll truly change the complete biochemical course within the reverse manner if you happen to add one thing that you simply don’t want. So, there are some things that you need to search for, I’m not telling you to take them, however you need to search for, do you could have iron deficiency? That’s a giant one. And folks all the time say to me, “Oh, I eat effectively. I eat clear. I eat natural. I eat no matter.” Does that imply you’re absorbing it? And in order that’s a very large subject for us to know and so that you can know. And abdomen acid is tremendous necessary so that you can take in iron. Iron is absorbed in an acidic setting. And if you happen to take antacids of any sort, there’s an opportunity that you’ve got a gentle iron deficiency. So, studying about how your physique absorbs issues, I believe nutritionally is the most important a part of the story, somewhat than attempting to simply take one or two dietary supplements.

Katie: After which on the subject of the mainstream, sort of, extra well-known hair therapies which can be getting used proper now…So I’ve seen some which can be topical, I’ve seen commercials, a minimum of. I discussed folks take a number of biotin, manner an excessive amount of often. With these techniques, what’s truly taking place or how are they attempting to deal with hair loss? And perhaps give us a few of, like, the risk-benefit evaluation there and why these aren’t essentially good within the long-term.

Dr. Tami: For positive. Nicely, the topical are literally drugs. You realize, there’s a model title known as Rogaine and it’s an precise remedy that’s used topically. And it inhibits the enzyme…5 alpha-reductase is definitely dwelling in your hair follicle and it truly is concerned in hair loss by way of the manufacturing of DHT, and it inhibits it on the follicular ranges. So, it’s efficient. However similar to your skincare must be checked out as if one thing that’s gonna be absorbed into your physique, your scalp can also be going to get absorbed into your physique. And so, these drugs have been identified to have a bunch of hormonal disruption. And so, why would you try this when there’s pure options? There’s additionally issues which you can take orally, Propecia and issues like that, that once more will be very efficient, however it’s going to disrupt your hormones. Something that you simply ingest that’s imagined to disrupt your hormones is certainly gonna have a downward impact in your entire hormone tree, not simply that one that you really want.

So, each single factor that’s available on the market has an elevated threat and a few of them will not be even authorized for girls and also you don’t even know that. When you’re going to attempt a few of these merchandise, I problem you to take out the package deal insert and skim these tiny, tiny, tiny little phrases. You may take an image of it along with your telephone if you must blow it up and truly learn it as a result of they don’t need you to learn it as a result of the negative effects are scary, and so they’re long-term as effectively. Generally they don’t go away simply since you cease utilizing it.

Katie: And there’s clearly some hormonal variations between women and men. And Ian you touched on this slightly bit so far as…So I’m curious how that is…and also you talked in broad phrases, however is it efficient on each women and men? As a result of I believe that’s a giant key. We’re seeing, such as you talked about, these merchandise that had been primarily geared in direction of males however girls are actually utilizing them too as we see increasingly more hair loss in girls. We’re seeing like they’ve negative effects that aren’t secure, particularly if girls are in search of postpartum hair loss cures. However as a result of I might guess there are, sort of, perhaps totally different pathways, various things taking place in males versus girls, are you able to, sort of, stroll us by way of what’s taking place in these totally different instances and the way it’s addressing each?

Ian: Yeah, so we even have the whole lot arrange, and it’s bifurcated between women and men. So, now we have two totally different setups. Working example, we’re truly doing an IRB trial for COVID lengthy haulers as a result of 65%, truly the standing is slightly over 65% of all of the people who find themselves having lengthy haul points are reporting hair loss, and that’s something over 100 strands a day. So, noticeable, noticeable sizes. However what’s intriguing is there appears to be a preponderance of girls. And if you begin to have a look at that, and clearly, nobody is aware of for sure and the info is certainly coming in as folks do increasingly more analysis, however one of many issues that’s obviously obvious is that, like Tami was simply alluding to, issues in your scalp are associated to the whole lot in your physique as a result of it transfers by way of. And, you realize, therefore like finasteride, you could have points with hormonal dysregulation for males that may actually trigger chemical castration and an entire host of different not-so-fun issues that…You realize, actually, that’s one of many causes I might by no means even strategy that’s simply because the cost-benefit evaluation may be very skewed in a single course and it’s not a optimistic one in my view.

However if you take a look at what’s happening with the preponderance of the people who find themselves shedding hair being feminine, you begin to…or a minimum of I did, I began to assume, “Nicely, why is that this?” And so, in our discussions, we had been taking a look at it and one of many vital options is that as a result of it’s a hormonal operate partly, it’s a must to take a look at what’s driving that, the communication between your endocrine system. And with girls, there’s a a lot greater density of mitochondria of their ovaries, proper? And it’s a part of the reproductive system. It’s very a lot hormonally linked, proper? And so COVID lengthy haulers, there’s a mitochondrial dysregulation that happens. And so, the ovaries have roughly 100,000 mitochondria per cell. And the following is 5,000 within the coronary heart.

So, by way of mitochondrial density, you’re taking a look at, in a girl, it’s ovaries, coronary heart, mind, eyes. And in a person, it’s coronary heart, mind, eyes. And also you’re seeing like within the German research on lengthy haulers that there have been post-COVID sufferers who had dysregulation in males, their coronary heart operate in over 85% of the instances. So, it’s not an actual far stretch to say, effectively, there’s clearly this cascaded mitochondrial dysregulation taking place and it’s additionally affecting the techniques of communication by way of simply hormonal steadiness with the endocrine system. So, how will we deal with that? So, we began taking a look at how will we steadiness out the hormones? And therefore the extra dietary supplements which can be for males are totally different than the extra dietary supplements which can be for girls. So we will deal with and, sort of, once more, hit on the trigger, you realize, and take a look at the very best leverage factors, which on this case actually do appear to be a drop in systemic communication due to dysregulation within the reproductive system and because it hyperlinks to the endocrine system.

Dr. Tami: The opposite hormone that’s tremendous necessary for hair progress and hair loss is cortisol. Excessive ranges of stress have been identified to haven’t solely your hair not develop but additionally trigger hair loss. We see that after sickness. We see that after COVID. We see that even simply if you’re stressed.

Ian: Presidency.

Dr. Tami: Sure, you possibly can take a look at the president. One of many issues that we all know is that cortisol at excessive sustained ranges, we simply weren’t designed for that, proper? Your adrenal glands are these tiny little walnut-sized glands that sit on high of your kidneys and so they’re there that can assist you run away from a bear. That most likely ought to have lasted about two minutes. And by that point, you both have gotten away otherwise you had been eaten. We weren’t designed to maintain this. And so when you could have a stress that your physique perceives as a bear, however is definitely simply your boss, your deadline, your loved ones, your stress, your inbox, your site visitors, your own home, all of these items hold your cortisol ranges up. That does two issues.

One is it will increase the hormones and chemical substances in your physique that break issues down. You’ll most likely discover that your pores and skin doesn’t look nearly as good both as a result of your collagen is breaking down. Collagen is a part of your hair. So, the issues which can be breaking down go quicker. After which the issues that construct, construct new collagen, construct your pores and skin, construct your hair, they’re not being made as a result of the adrenal glands are busy with cortisol. So, not solely is it the hormones of being a person or a feminine, it’s additionally the hormone of stress cortisol.

Katie: That’s such an necessary level. And I’ve talked earlier than about this type of in a various strategy in that lots of people, I believe, simply consider stress by way of “I really feel careworn” and that precise set off. However our our bodies, such as you talked about, understand stress and have that response from a wide range of issues. And it may very well be the wrong sort of sunshine on the unsuitable time of day. It may very well be your job, your boss, simply site visitors, no matter it’s, or it may very well be issues like even low-level chemical publicity. We’ve so many extra inputs on the subject of cortisol I really feel like proper now in society, actually COVID, and lockdown, and all of the issues we’ve been by way of previously yr, it’s apparent to see stress and the way that’s affecting all of us. And so, I believe that’s such a very good level, too, is like addressing all of these.

My private expertise being that, I didn’t even understand, I had low-level stress for a few years attributable to previous trauma. And I ignored that for a very very long time and simply centered on what I used to be consuming and the dietary supplements, and figured that will repair it. And it actually wasn’t till I addressed that and realized I most likely was not in parasympathetic very a lot for an especially very long time and noticed firsthand what a distinction that made as a result of all of the well being issues I believed I used to be gonna repair with all of those different dietary supplements and loopy protocols all resolved themselves after I handled the underlying stress. And so I believe cortisol is a large key. And I similar to to remind folks, it’s not nearly feeling careworn. You even have to have a look at issues that your physique is perceiving as stress, even if you happen to don’t essentially really feel the emotion of stress.

Dr. Tami: I all the time inform my sufferers that your adrenal glands don’t know the distinction between a marriage and a funeral. They’re worrying. And so, it doesn’t matter what you are feeling. Similar to you had been saying, Katie, it actually doesn’t. The opposite factor about stress is I believe that it’s such a disservice that we as medical medical doctors may have sufferers who come to us now greater than ever speaking about stress after which we’ll inform them methods to…we recommend to lower their stress. Actually? That’s so lame. After which how about my different favourite, handle your stress? What does that even imply, handle your stress? Your 5-year-old can not get their dinner, your boss continues to be a jerk, your mission continues to be due tomorrow. There’s nonetheless a lot happening.

So what I’ve give you is…that is my very own little, type of, story about stress. Stress occurs. Stress is like consuming. And we eat and meals will get throughout our enamel. And if it stays there, it causes cavities and gum illness. It could truly trigger coronary heart illness. The micro organism from the gums can go all the way down to the…it could actually trigger full havoc in your entire physique. So what will we do? We brush and floss, proper? How typically? At the least as soon as a day. Oftentimes greater than that. Why? As a result of you possibly can’t cease consuming. It’s the very same with stress. Stress isn’t going away. It’s similar to the meals in your enamel. However now we have to brush and floss our cells from the stress every day. And one of the best ways that I do know is meditation, not remedy however meditation. And there’s a plethora of analysis that helps that it decreases the hormones and chemical substances of stress.

Katie: That’s such a terrific analogy. I really like that. I’m gonna use that once more, for positive. I’ll quote you for positive. And I really like that you simply guys are taking the holistic strategy to this. I believe there’s a few extra areas we have to go deep on as a result of it’s fascinating to me. And also you talked about photons and also you talked about I believe enzymes and minerals and a number of issues which can be most likely not being included within the mainstream dialog about hair loss. And I do know that you simply guys, realizing each of you could have examined this actually rigorously and also you’ve seen unimaginable outcomes throughout the board. So I might love so that you can, sort of, discuss the way you pulled in all these parts and what they’re particularly doing to the physique that’s inflicting these excessive outcomes.

Ian: Okay. So, wanting from the sub-cellular parts first. So, we’re utilizing particular minerals to dam oxidative stress on the interior mitochondrial membrane. And so the web impact of that element is that it up-regulates ATP manufacturing. Now, as I alluded to earlier, it’s not truly including an ATP. It’s simply protecting you from shedding it. So you could have extra electrons to really put into the system. So your electron transport chain kicks out extra models of power. And it pertains to, like, the lengthy haulers as a result of these guys are successfully having a symptom known as the Warburg impact. And mainly what meaning is that your physique will get shunted into glycolysis contained in the cells. And so that you get 2 models of power out in lieu of 36. So, you’re at an enormous loss. And the web impact for hair is the follicles simply can’t produce the way in which they’d. So, in these cells, by advantage of upregulating the encompassing cells, you find yourself with a profit. So, we’re utilizing minerals to do this in a selected mix, to care for one element.

Then we’ve checked out methods to stimulate progress components and get the cells to set off their very own progress components. And we’re doing that by way of groupings of very particular groupings of amino acids. And if you acquire these and also you drop them in, there are specific affinities contained in the cell that can bind with various kinds of amino acids. And it up-regulates the cell operate. And so, in one other element, that’s an additive cycle. And you then begin wanting on the different aspect of the wave as a result of, you realize, if you’d like one thing to extend in energy, you modify its amplitude. And so it’s a must to take a look at the highest aspect and the underside aspect. So, the underside aspect on this state of affairs is detox pathways. So, once more, with that, we’re utilizing combos of pure compounds, a couple of minerals, you realize, the usual stuff that individuals would see, however then a few non-standard holistic parts which can be slightly bit extra esoteric that individuals don’t usually play with as a result of we needed to have the ability to pull out toxins.

And that’s vital as a result of you possibly can solely reconstruct one thing when you’ve got an setting to reconstruct. It could, like, be akin to constructing a home and by no means ever taking away the particles as you construct the home. You realize, at a sure level, you simply merely can’t restore it as a result of there are too many impediments in your manner. So, as soon as every week, we do a full deep scalp detox. After which each time you apply the serum, there’s a minor intracellular detox operate that happens. So that you’ve received, sort of, the macroscopic strategy with the follicular cell detox on the floor and you then’ve received the microscopic strategy with the intracellular detox. After which we’ve used totally different lipid chains, that are simply, you realize, the flamboyant science phrase for fat, totally different lipid chains to stimulate the cells and to supply the bottom for a few of the energetic parts to really bind after which to drop into the power manufacturing cycle.

So, it’s simply wanting on the totality of how do you amp up the positives? How do you diminish the negatives? After which how do you, extra importantly, create a complete setting in order that the whole lot can do what it’s imagined to do? As a result of, once more, we’re going again to the physique is aware of what it’s imagined to do. It simply wants the impediments taken out of its manner. After which we do a few additional hacks, just like the photonics stuff. And that’s truly…There’s an incredible physique of analysis on low-level laser remedy. And a few of the finest analysis I learn after we had been doing this got here out of Harvard. And there’s a litany of it, and I might suggest that anyone learn it as a result of it’s a must to in our system, you steadiness it out. You’ll do, you realize, photonic stimulation for 10 days, and you then’ll take 7 days off. And the rationale for that’s, the technical time period is a biphasic dose-response curve, which mainly implies that if you transcend a sure level, it doesn’t have a useful impact, it has a detrimental impact. So, you possibly can construct up the response within the cell cycle by overclocking it for roughly 10 to 13 days. However then if you transcend that time, it drops down and truly goes to a decrease state energetically than it was previous to beginning.

So, if you’re utilizing a factor known as a Janus mediator, which is what this triggers, and it’s Janus from the Greek god of two faces, proper? And so the biphasic element permits us to essentially amp issues up. However then it’s a must to undergo a interval of integration the place you reset. And like anything, you wouldn’t work out daily of the week, seven days every week as exhausting as you would since you may find yourself with one thing like rhabdomyolysis. So, not that that will ever occur as a result of solely individuals who have by no means heard of it find yourself with rhabdomyolysis. That mentioned, so you possibly can stimulate it however it’s a must to permit your physique time to combine. So, now we have a program that’s lined out so that you simply’ll do 10 days on the place you overclock the cell cycle and you then drop out for 7 days in order that it resets and goes again to its authentic place. After which as soon as it’s at stasis once more, you then start the overclocking. And we map that out over time to see what the very best response was and that’s what examined out the very best.

So, the mix of these after which the extra dietary supplements. So that you’ve received the scalp masking so you possibly can detox. You’ve received the serum that you simply use to do the intracellular detox and upregulation of cell operate. And you then’ve received the photonic stimulation, and you then even have the complement element which can be balanced for women and men so to deal with the hormonal parts. And likewise circulation and, you realize, do the derma rolling as a result of there’s an entire host of advantages to stimulating the circulation up there as a result of usually, your scalp doesn’t have a ton of it. However along with that, it’s additionally doing collagenases since you’re creating micro-fissures within the cells and round your scalp. And so, the web impact is your physique tries to restore it. And the issues that we included to stimulate the expansion components additionally set off the expansion there. So it’s, once more, an additive impact one on high of the opposite. Tami.

Dr. Tami: The opposite a part of it, you realize, I used to follow solely as a beauty surgeon, or a beauty doctor somewhat, non-surgical, after which moved into stem cell remedy. So that is tremendous enjoyable to return into the beauty, however I can let you know that one of many issues that I made positive that I did is I might odor, contact, and really feel the whole lot that I really helpful for my sufferers. And I can let you know that each one of that is luxurious. The serum is that this attractive purple. And it’s naturally like that. It doesn’t stink as a result of you aren’t going to go put smelly stuff in your hair irrespective of if it really works or not. And it feels good. The derma curler doesn’t damage. You don’t want to fret about it. So not solely is that this going to work. It’s going to be a nice expertise. And in order that’s actually necessary if you happen to’re going to do one thing that’s gonna work, I believe that it shouldn’t be, like, grit your enamel, and plug your nostril, and suck it up. And that’s why we got here up with this method, the hair loss system, as an alternative of it simply being a one-off product.

Katie: That’s a terrific level. I’m glad you introduced that up as a result of actually, we see that so much within the well being world. There’s a number of issues which can be actually useful and persons are simply not going to do them as a result of it’s a foul expertise. Nicely, like, an instance that involves thoughts, a pal of mine, who you guys truly know as effectively now, eats uncooked liver on a regular basis for the iron. And I’ve began doing this as effectively. I’ll simply swallow a bunch of uncooked liver within the morning with simply water. It doesn’t style that nice, however it’s extraordinarily efficient for power. And most of the people I point out that to won’t ever, by no means, by no means attempt it as a result of it’s not a nice expertise.

However I believe to circle again to a few stuff you talked about, Ian, I believe that had been actually necessary to focus on. The primary being that typically essentially the most useful factor is subtractive. However that’s what the detox half is necessary. And sometimes, I believe we get caught up within the additive and we wanna simply hold doing increasingly more issues. And we don’t deal with that aspect as a lot. And likewise that dose-dependent response that extra isn’t all the time higher and biking. I’ve talked about that a lot and even I say I don’t do something daily, whether or not it dietary supplements, whether or not it’s train. The physique is extraordinarily adaptive however you don’t wanna do the whole lot each single day. So I really like that you simply introduced up each of these factors. I do know that we’re going to get the query from a number of listeners about security throughout being pregnant and nursing. We’ve a number of mothers that pay attention. And as we already talked about, hair loss is a typical factor that may associate with these phases of life. So, are you able to give any particular steerage for mothers who’re pregnant and nursing?

Ian: Nicely, as I’m not a medical physician, nor do I play one on TV, I’ll take the primary crack at this. Yeah, primarily based on the parts that we’ve included in the whole lot…And there was a means of going by way of and taking a look at different issues, a few of which labored extremely effectively. However on the finish of the day, the concept was to have essentially the most holistic course of in order that there wasn’t something that you’d find yourself being broken by or ran the danger of getting issues with. And everyone, sort of, shies away from it. However personally talking, if if you happen to needed to really eat this compound, it wouldn’t be detrimental. It could be extremely useful for you. And you would additionally likewise use it topically with nice profit. So, actually by way of, although it’s not terribly fashionable to say, you realize, people who find themselves pregnant or nursing…One, I’m not aspiring to diagnose, deal with, or forestall any situation with this. However yeah, it could be completely fantastic and secure. There’s not something inherent in any of the compounds that will toss stuff out of kilter. It’s sort of useful all the way in which round.

Dr. Tami: And I believe the opposite factor to recollect is, you realize, after I take a look at one thing as an MD, I don’t go by simply is it FDA authorized or FDA says it’s secure or not. So, then I do my very own evaluation and go, “Okay, effectively, what is that this fabricated from? So would this disrupt hormones?” In fact, that will be crucial factor in being pregnant. The reply isn’t any. It’s only a sequence of amino acids and issues. So, in concept, you would consider this as the identical manner as an avocado face masks. It’s pure substances which can be put topically so that there’s not going to be any hurt for being pregnant or breastfeeding.

Katie: I’d love to speak slightly bit extra about how shortly it really works as a result of I do know I’ve seen some fairly superb leads to folks I do know personally. And I do know you guys each personally. So I’ve gotten, sort of, some insider info right here. However I believe most individuals have the notion that hair loss is a really lengthy course of to resolve as a result of the hair progress course of is so sluggish. And I do know you guys have tried this in a number of various kinds of instances. So, what are you seeing so far as outcomes and, sort of, timeline?

Dr. Tami: So, Ian despatched me the photographs and I’m like, “Yeah, we will’t say this.” We can not say that that there’s this a lot hair progress in 4 weeks as a result of it doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t comply with my medical textbook data about how lengthy it takes to develop hair and the cycles. After which he jogged my memory that in fact it isn’t following the identical cycles. That’s the entire level of the properties of this serum. It’s up-leveling the cycles. So, as loopy because it sounds, it’s 4 weeks. We are going to see vital hair progress in 4 weeks. I hold saying, “No, no, no, no, don’t say that. Say 12 weeks.” However I hold seeing these photos at 4 weeks and it’s plain.

Ian: Yeah, a part of that’s biohacking, proper? We’re arising with a distinct approach to elicit a really particular response. And on this case, it was simply the parameters had been this. And so, you realize, make the hair develop as quickly as you possibly can, make it as wholesome as you possibly can, and make the method very elegant. And it does it effectively. And yeah, we’ve gone backwards and forwards about this however you shouldn’t have to beat the disbelief of issues and simply let folks discuss it themselves. That’s, I believe, truly the very best factor by way of one thing like this the place there’s undoubtedly going to be some reluctance to just accept that issues can occur extra quickly than they usually would occur in a organic setting. However if you happen to change the constraints, and on this case, you realize, we’re doing the rapidity with photonics. So it’s not…

I imply, simply learn the Harvard analysis. It’s there. Nobody had ever grouped it along with a system of parts that will do all of this, however the person parts had been there. It’s sort of akin to strolling in a room with all the elements for a bicycle. And most of the people may take a look at it and go, “Nicely, it’s only a bunch of unusual sprockets and wheels.” But when you realize what it’s imagined to appear to be, and also you assemble it in the appropriate trend, then you could have this factor that does all these loopy issues and it accelerates your pace. And that’s mainly it. So, it was an entire host of disparate issues that hadn’t been addressed earlier than. However yeah. And, you realize, in below a month, you’ll see a profound distinction. And that’s the way in which it ought to work. Proper? You realize, higher science.

I imply, I assure, 100 years from now, assuming, you realize, the wheels are nonetheless on the buses of society and we’re transferring ahead collectively as a species, this can appear archaic and sluggish. And there’ll most likely be some type of factor the place, oh, my God, it took two hours, actually? It ought to have solely taken 20 minutes. You realize, so this can appear, you realize, sluggish against this, however proper now, it simply occurs to be…for, you realize, the temporal level we’re at proper now, that is most likely the very best factor I’ve seen, and by far and away the quickest, and likewise pure and received’t damage you, which is…And Tami most likely would have crushed me with a stick if I had proposed to do it with any, type of, oddball compound that had unusual negative effects. You realize, this can do it however they’ll be radioactive for 3 days. That was taken off of the desk. Its secret ingredient is thorium. Yeah, that most likely wouldn’t have rolled effectively.

However yeah, it’s simply that, it’s higher science and higher drugs simply put collectively, you realize, in a system. And once more, as a result of we’ve all talked about this, you possibly can’t deal with methods to heal the physique effectively until you deal with the physique in all of its totally different element techniques as a result of it’s not only one factor. You may’t pop a tablet, you possibly can’t simply smear a serum on. That won’t work. And if you happen to can trick the physique, you realize, ala finasteride, to dam one thing, you realize, in a follicular path so it’s not doing what it’s imagined to do, yeah, you are able to do that. However sadly, there’s a consequence to that. You realize, I imply, this strikes in accord. It’s sort of just like the aikido model of issues. We’re utilizing the physique’s power with it in lieu of attempting to hit it in a detrimental trend.

So yeah, it’s quicker and higher. It’s the Buckminster Fuller ephemeralization, you realize, quicker, higher, smarter, cheaper. And hopefully, that can, you realize, get some type of shift within the market that different folks see this and go, “Oh, there’s a greater approach to do it.” As a result of I assure, we received’t be the one folks that…we could be the primary folks that have figured this out, however hopefully, we received’t be the one folks that determine it out. It ought to elicit a change throughout the market the place folks go, “Oh, effectively, take a look at this. These guys are making a manner of doing it the appropriate manner. We should always do the identical factor.” And in the end, I imply, I do know the three of us, what we’re all attempting to do is transfer the needle. So…

Katie: And it is a query I didn’t assume to ask you guys forward of time. So if the reply is that you simply don’t know but or which you can’t discuss it, I completely perceive that. However does this work wherever that there are hair follicles? I’m pondering particularly for there’s lots of people listening who’ve thyroid points, and I used to have Hashimoto’s. There will be hair loss on the eyebrows and even eyelashes with thyroid points. I do know that is perhaps most likely not geared in direction of use by the eyes. So perhaps you reply this from the attitude of is it okay to make use of close to the eyes and/or might it probably be useful there as effectively?

Dr. Tami: Yay, I’m so glad you requested. The reply is sure. And we also have a charity nonprofit the place individuals who undergo chemotherapy lose their eyelashes and eyebrows, and this may be utilized safely and it could actually assist develop again your follicles. Completely.

Ian: Yeah, that was, once more, going again to the concept of being secure throughout the board, additionally facial hair. And that’s one other actually good one which I believe it’s extra of a beauty factor however lots of people which have patchy beards and issues like that can need to use the identical system there. One of many different questions that lots of people who previous to testing it requested was, is that this going to develop hair in locations the place I don’t have hair? No, it received’t. It would stimulate collagen however it’s not going to stimulate new hair in unusual spots the place you don’t have it.

Katie: That’s humorous.

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Dr. Tami: No worries. I’m most likely uniquely capable of reply this as a result of I simply bought my medical spa that I owned for 13 years the place we had two totally different lasers that had been used for hair elimination. And they’re secure. Now, they’re not secure for you in being pregnant. Why? As a result of they haven’t been examined. And light-weight frequency can probably, you realize, go penetrate the place we don’t need it to. However for normal folks, it’s utilizing mild and it truly goes down and it’s a warmth factor. And there’s truly a hair bulb and a hair bulge manner, manner, manner down. And if you happen to’ve ever gotten your hair waxed and, you realize, you checked out it, and there’s that like waxy little bulb on the finish, that’s what it’s. And there’s like a tiny little stem cell there, too. It’s damaging the hair bulb and the hair bulge in order that it could actually’t regrow.

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Dr. Tami: I believe that fasting is a very large subject proper now, each water fasting, long-term fasting, intermittent fasting. And I all the time have a philosophy that one thing may very well be proper however it won’t be best for you, and it won’t be best for you proper now. And so, fasting and attempting to develop hair on the similar time isn’t a good suggestion. That’s one factor. Now, if you happen to’re simply delaying your breakfast and having a larger interval of not consuming, then that’s not the identical and, you realize, intermittent fasting. However we wanna be sure that your physique is getting sufficient vitamin. You realize, vitamin C is in seven elements of the pathway to make collagen. And so ensuring that you simply’re consuming sufficient brightly coloured greens and fruit. You realize, folks assume, “Oh, I’ll simply take vitamin C.” Nicely, vitamin C is ascorbic acid and it’s only a tiny a part of the holistic vitamin C molecule. It’s not truly the entire vitamin C molecule. So that you need to give your physique what it actually might acknowledge. In case your great-great-great-grandmother might acknowledge it, then it’s fairly good. So just be sure you’re consuming a really brightly coloured food plan. Be sure to’re getting sufficient protein to assist the amino acids. And watch out of stresses as a result of fasting generally is a stress for some folks.

Ian: The opposite apparent one is the train element as a result of a lot of it’s depending on oxygenation and correct blood circulate, proper? You’ve gotta get the vitamins. I imply, we will additively place issues topically however you continue to must get blood circulate up there and have entry to what Tami was simply alluding to, have entry to all of the vitamins which can be going to be the parts that basically do elicit that change. So that you’ve gotta do some type of train. It doesn’t must be tremendous rigorous or something like that. However even strolling truly can be good, particularly this present day when folks can’t exit to the health club in a number of states. That’s truly the one different one I might add is if you happen to can care for your food plan and your stress stage, shout out to meditation. It’s one in every of my fave pastimes as effectively. I believe these three issues, you realize, the meditation, the food plan, and lightweight train, along with the construction of the system that we put collectively. That’s just about the trick proper there.

Katie: Excellent. And I’ll be sure that now we have direct hyperlinks within the present notes. That’s welnessmama.fm for any of you guys listening whereas, hopefully, exercising or perhaps driving. And I may also put hyperlinks to a few of the research that we’ve talked about for the folks like me who like to go deep on the analysis, in addition to to a publish the place I’ve written in regards to the mild element and in regards to the stress parts. So that you guys can go deeper on these as effectively. And as we get to the tip of our time, Ian, I do know I already requested you this on our first episode, however I’m gonna ask you once more too. I all the time like to ask, selfishly, for any e-book suggestions, if there have been books which have had a profound impression in your life and in that case, what they’re and why.

Dr. Tami: I believe that the…so many books. In fact, I really like studying. The e-book that I had that has had the most important impression on my life is the one which I learn over and again and again, and I believe it’s as a result of it says one thing totally different each time. It’s known as “The 4 Agreements.” I believe it’s only a good life lesson and a great way to discover ways to change your perspective at no matter section of life. I used to be truly flying right here and I believed, “You realize what? I believe that ‘The 4 Agreements’ e-book can be a superb commencement current.” It’s simply such a…That is the way in which that…if you happen to can see the world this manner, it’s gonna be so much higher for you.

Ian: Okay. I’ve been chomping on the bit for this query, often because I had a really profound expertise since final we spoke. The e-book can be “Energy vs. Drive” by David Hawkins. Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, actually, essentially the most impactful e-book I’ve ever learn. And actually, the profundity is off the charts. I want, I hope everybody goes out and will get it. Simply the outline of the development of human consciousness and the evolution of us individually and the way it pertains to what we will do to assist each other and transfer society alongside, actually stunning. Bar none, essentially the most impactful factor I’ve ever learn. And I might actually suggest with all of my coronary heart that everyone exit and get it, learn it, and try to apply the concepts and the rules in it. Simply implausible.

Katie: I really like each of these suggestions a lot. I’ve most likely purchased, at this level, perhaps 50 copies of “The 4 Agreements.” All people on the Wellness Mama group has learn it. My youngsters have learn it. I give it to associates on a regular basis. And I only in the near past additionally learn “Energy vs. Drive.” And it’s now on my oldest son’s studying listing. I go on the actually good ones. I do the five-minute abstract on the again after which go it on to my youngsters. So, I’m excited for him to get to learn that at virtually 15 versus me attending to learn it now at my age. It’s undoubtedly a profound e-book, for positive. And I really like each of these. I already knew I beloved you guys. Now I really like you much more.

And I’m actually excited that we received to go deep on this at the moment as a result of I believe, like we talked about at first, so many individuals are affected by this. Lots of people perhaps are even shy to speak about it and really feel ashamed due to it. And I’ve all the time seemed for the holistic options. I do know that you simply guys have as effectively. And I do know, Dr. Tami, we talked about a few of these issues, not hair loss, particularly, however the holistic aspect of issues years in the past. And I’m all the time excited after I can discover an choice that’s insanely efficient and likewise pure. And that’s a really, very exhausting mixture to nail. And I really like that you simply guys have achieved that. So any closing ideas or recommendation?

Dr. Tami: Sure, you jogged my memory of one thing. I need to encourage everyone to reframe self-care. It’s not egocentric. It’s not useless. You don’t want to really feel ashamed. Self-care will be science-based and it’s good for you.

Katie: I really like that. That could be a excellent place to finish. I’m gonna make {that a} quotable as a result of I believe, particularly as girls and mothers, we will really feel responsible for self-care. And I do know that that overuse analogy about placing by yourself masks first and masks, in fact, have an entire totally different connotation after this previous yr however that has a ripple impact. It impacts all of us. And I’ve mentioned from the start that mothers, particularly, are essentially the most highly effective drive on the planet. And so something we do as mothers to assist with self-care, care for ourselves, it ripples out and impacts so many individuals. So I really like that you simply introduced that up. I really like you guys. I do know that there will likely be many extra rounds and I sit up for them.

And I’m so grateful for you guys in your time at the moment. And naturally, as all the time, grateful to all of you for listening, for sharing your most respected sources, your time, and your power with us at the moment. We’re all so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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