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Hey, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie, from and That’s wellness with an E on the tip. And this podcast is all about an incredible story of overcoming most cancers and in addition about sexual well being and biohacking. I’m right here with Dr. Cabell Bawa, who’s a Board Licensed doctor and founding father of Bawa Medical and Chief Medical Officer on the New Wave. She is dedicated to her philosophy of rejuvenation from the within out. And on this episode, she shares her story of overcoming breast most cancers and in addition turning into a magnificence queen. And the rationale that she truly did that and the way she used that platform to indicate her scars and to indicate her hair loss and all of the issues that got here alongside along with her most cancers prognosis and to deliver consciousness. She additionally talks loads about some taboo matters. we speak about sexual well being fairly a bit and a few actually stunning statistics on well being and hormones associated to each women and men, and the way these change over time and with age, and in addition methods to assist enhance them. So, undoubtedly, a fact-packed episode, her story is admittedly unbelievable. And with out additional ado, let’s be a part of her.

Katie: Dr. Bawa, welcome, and thanks for being right here.

Dr. Bawa: Thanks for having me.

Katie: I’m so excited to listen to extra about your story and your experience as a result of it looks as if you might have each private {and professional} expertise in a few areas which can be extraordinarily relevant to lots of people proper now. However to begin broad, I’ve learn that you’ve a extremely, actually attention-grabbing and wonderful story about overcoming most cancers, which as we all know, statistically is on the rise proper now and, sadly, many individuals will obtain a prognosis of in some unspecified time in the future of their lives. After which not solely overcoming that, however turning that into one thing actually stunning and empowering and wonderful. So can we begin by studying just a little extra about you and your story?

Dr. Bawa: Sure. Thanks a lot for that. I used to be misdiagnosed with my breast most cancers for nearly three years. I initially found my lump once I was nonetheless in my late 30s and my gynecologist tried to blow me off and inform me that I actually didn’t meet conventional danger elements, that I used to be nonetheless not 40, insurance coverage wouldn’t cowl it. And I used to be just a little perplexed as a result of I believed it was concerning the affected person, not the, you realize, the numbers. So it took plenty of convincing. I did get a mammogram, however then they misinterpret it. They acquired an ultrasound, however they misinterpret that too. And this occurred for a number of years in a row. So lastly, I insisted that there was one thing very flawed. They thought I used to be neurotic, and it was okay. I didn’t actually care at that time. I knew one thing was flawed and I needed to be an advocate for myself.

So at that time, I ended up going to a unique hospital. I ended up going to the College of Miami Sylvester Most cancers Institute, and I can actually say that the docs there saved my life. So if we get nothing else from our time collectively, I would like girls and even males to know that once they really feel that there’s one thing flawed with them, that they have to insist and to not take it mendacity down, to not let anyone inform them that they’re being loopy, that they’re being hypochondriacs. When you realize you now. And nonetheless, you realize, this occurred to me and whereas this was not one thing that I anticipated, I had a alternative. I may let most cancers defeat me or I may make it about one thing greater than myself. So, I, of all issues, determined to hitch a magnificence pageant. Now chances are you’ll marvel why at age 43, I felt the necessity to be a part of a magnificence pageant. It’s as a result of I discovered as a most cancers affected person that my fellow most cancers sufferers had given up on themselves. They felt that most cancers was going to defeat them. And I actually consider that for those who suppose it can defeat you, it completely will. You might be proper come what may.

So for me, I used to be by no means going to undergo most cancers. It needed to be about making one thing good come out of one thing horrible. And so, I made a decision to hitch Miss Florida to encourage most cancers sufferers to reside their finest life despite most cancers. To indicate them that pleasure mustn’t finish, and that they’re no much less stunning, even when they’ve scars, even when they lose their hair. So, I went on stage 4 weeks or so after my mastectomy. I had my scar seen, I refused to cowl it with make-up. It could have been simple to take action, nevertheless it was a matter of precept. I additionally went on stage with no extensions and no wig. I purchased a wig, I simply couldn’t deliver myself to put on it as a result of I wished to talk my reality. And once I gained Miss Florida, it was an enormous win, not only for me, however for most cancers sufferers and people present process adversity of any sort. So, in so some ways, you realize, my story has been discovered to be inspirational for that, and I’m very pleased as a result of that’s what that is about.

Katie: That’s wonderful. And two issues actually stood out to me in that. The primary being the significance of advocating for ourselves on the subject of medical care. And I had an analogous expertise in a a lot much less ominous prognosis, however I, for years, knew one thing was flawed and would go to docs and ask for exams. And I suspected it was my thyroid. And equally was informed, “Nicely, you’re not in a high-risk group. All of this stuff are regular postpartum. Your ranges are fantastic.” And so they have been solely testing, in fact, sure ranges. And I needed to advocate for myself for a few years with a number of docs to lastly get a prognosis that then helped me recuperate. And also you hear about this loads within the medical world. And sadly, it looks as if it usually occurs extra to girls than males actually because I feel many research are achieved on males as a result of they’re simpler to review.

However I feel…I’m so glad you introduced that up as a result of I feel the very best outcomes, and also you may agree from a physician’s perspective, occur when you might have a affected person who’s invested and well-informed and advocating for themselves, and in addition desirous to work with a practitioner as a companion in enhancing their very own well being. And the opposite factor you mentioned that I feel is so necessary on this and in actually, each space of life is that mindset piece. And the concept for those who suppose one thing will defeat you, it can. And likewise when you have a optimistic mindset, that goes such a great distance towards the restoration. How necessary do you suppose that mindset piece was for you and for different folks in the identical state of affairs?

Dr. Bawa: I like what you mentioned as a result of so many docs aren’t testing you absolutely, even when they do take a look at you. And I’m so pleased that you just have been an advocate for your self and also you discovered what was flawed. And so far as mindset is worried, mindset in my case was every thing. And this may occasionally appear dramatic, however it is a true incident. I had some issues throughout my most cancers remedy and I used to be in my chemotherapy suite. My blood ranges have been tanking for lack of a greater phrase to say it. And one in all my nurses began to cry. She simply felt horrible for me that I used to be taking two steps ahead and 5 steps again it appeared each time we rotated. And once I noticed tears in her eyes, I consoled her and I mentioned to her, “It’s okay. It actually is. I shall be fantastic. And never solely am I going to be fantastic, in just some months, I’m going to be Miss Florida.” And she or he laughed as she cried. And that is an honest-to-goodness story. This actually occurred.

And I needed to clarify to her that I used to be not going there for a participation medal, I used to be in it to win it as a result of it was not value doing if it was not value doing absolutely and nicely. So, I hope that my story has despatched a bigger message to folks normally about mindset, about perseverance. And I feel that if I didn’t have that mindset, if I didn’t have that perseverance, I don’t know that I’d have made it so far as I did and had the result I did as a result of a lot of most cancers is miserable. I’m not saying that there wasn’t any despair on my finish, there was. I selected to not dwell on it. So I feel that’s the principle factor.

Katie: And I additionally love that you just reframed that and didn’t cover from the struggles or attempt to cowl the scars of that and let that really be an outward, like, witness to your struggles in order that it may open a dialog about that. I feel usually in society, there are such…very outlined requirements of what female magnificence appears to be like like and that stress to really feel good and to not have scars and to not have something that’s not thought-about, you realize, bodily good. And doubtless by doing that, you gave girls freedom to be who they honestly are in so some ways, and to not have to keep up this phantasm of perfection. And from what I’ve learn, additionally that was a big a part of your purpose for competing as nicely is that you just have been capable of shine a highlight on different most cancers sufferers and on that as nicely, proper? You used your platform to deliver plenty of consciousness there as nicely.

Dr. Bawa: Completely. I spoke on stage about how I used to be misdiagnosed. I wished to boost consciousness for most cancers misdiagnosis, in addition to inform most cancers sufferers that life doesn’t finish with a most cancers prognosis, that there’s a lot stuff to sit up for. Now, happening stage and the costume I selected and with the hair and make-up I selected was a press release. I didn’t select a costume that coated my chest. I may have. There are numerous robes I may have worn which can be completely stunning that didn’t present my scars, that didn’t present my uneven breast measurement. However I went on stage as is. I used to be fully uneven. Issues had not been finalized but with my second surgical procedure. I nonetheless haven’t had it, however I didn’t let that govern my alternative of costume. This was about, once more, one thing greater than myself. So, I went there with my uneven cleavage, my scar seen, and quick hair with some areas that have been extra thinning than others. And this was necessary to me as a result of I don’t need folks to suppose that most cancers isn’t stunning. Most cancers is simply as stunning as anything. And I feel that that was an important message to ship to the world. And I feel it’s a message that resonated. My win redefined magnificence after most cancers.

Katie: And I can solely think about how to start with overwhelming a most cancers prognosis should really feel. And I hear from folks, sadly, like I mentioned, most cancers appears to be on the rise throughout the board, who obtain a prognosis and, you realize, overwhelmed and marvel the place to even begin searching for assets. So I’m curious if there have been issues that have been useful to you in establishing that mindset piece once you have been going by way of that and/or that helped you realize issues to do to bodily assist your self by way of that course of and to ensure your physique was nourished and capable of recuperate?

Dr. Bawa: You realize, it’s attention-grabbing how life labored out for me. I used to be not likely…as a part of my medical follow, I based and owned Bawa Medical in Boca Raton. It’s a wellness and rejuvenation-based follow. After I began this, once I conceived this follow, I used to be not considering of most cancers. I used to be not considering of what a most cancers affected person wants for assist but paradoxically, my life took that path. So, in my case, I used to be very fortunate. I didn’t must go exterior to look for lots of the issues I wanted. I may do IV remedy in my very own workplace as a result of I discovered it useful. Additionally, chemotherapy is so nauseating, you’ll be able to’t eat nicely, your dietary degree goes down at some extent once you want the next dietary degree to struggle that illness, to struggle that chemo as a result of chemo is doing fairly a quantity on you, it’s a poison, primarily. You want it. I extremely suggest it. It saved my life, nevertheless it’s a poison. Let’s not overlook that. So, how do you counteract that? I had IV remedy.

The opposite factor that occurs with most cancers is hair loss. I’m a hair restoration specialist. So I used to be very fortunate in that sense that I used to be capable of do hair restoration inside my follow as a result of I really feel that most cancers hair loss is misunderstood. A lot of it’s about hair restoration the place in so many instances, it must be about hair loss prevention. No person thinks of it that approach, even my very own buddies mentioned I used to be being ridiculous that I ought to settle for it gracefully. They informed me I used to be being, you realize, very superficial. And I mentioned, “It’s not about being superficial. It’s about combating it when you’ll be able to struggle it.” When I’ve instruments, why not use them? So I did a bunch of various issues in my follow and I by no means went bald regardless of very sturdy chemotherapy. The chemotherapy I underwent was a mixture of Taxol and Adriamycin and Cytoxan. To anyone who does most cancers remedies or has gone by way of most cancers remedies, they know the way sturdy that chemotherapy routine is but I by no means got here near being bald. I misplaced the size, by no means the precise hair, you realize, on my head. So did that.

I additionally did pores and skin remedies at my very own follow as a result of chemotherapy causes plenty of pores and skin harm and hyperpigmentation. So regardless of how a lot sunscreen I used, I nonetheless had plenty of pores and skin harm. So, plenty of that I discovered I used to be uniquely positioned to assist myself. So this isn’t a plug for my follow in any approach. You requested how I acquired by way of it, a lot of it’s due to what I do for a dwelling anyway. Now, how different folks would get by way of it, I extremely suggest that they attain out to their oncologist, ask for the assets close to them. Possibly there’s a follow like me close to them. Possibly there may be anyone who may also help them save their hair. Possibly there may be somebody who may also help them with wellness and IVs and, you realize, serving to them with chemo-related pores and skin adjustments and issues like that. As a result of, you realize, it’s very miserable once you look within the mirror and also you don’t appear to be your self anymore. It’s not about being superficial, you nearly don’t acknowledge who you might be. And there’s one thing to be mentioned for attempting to keep up what you’ll be able to of your self by way of all of it.

I imply, there was some extent I had no eyebrows and no eyelashes. So I made a decision it was about mindset. I didn’t need to settle for that. So, I truly went out and developed a product to develop lashes and brows that’s wholesome, that doesn’t change your eye coloration and do harm to the pores and skin round your eyes. As a result of a lot of what’s on the market may also do harm. Folks don’t speak about it. Like Latisse, does it work? Completely. However it could actually trigger some adjustments within the coloration of your eye, for example. No person talks about that a part of it. So I made a decision that most cancers was going to be one thing that simply was optimistic in each approach for me. So I even went and developed a pure product that I now have in my follow for that. So, a lot of that, you realize, I used to be so fortunate, however I do suggest that they attain out to social staff, they attain out to assist teams, and in my case, to buddies. My household doesn’t reside right here. My household’s abroad. So my buddies have been my tribe. They have been those who helped me by way of all of it. My pal, Carmen, picked me up from chemo each single time. She simply took it upon herself. You realize, it takes a village. I used to be very fortunate to have a really supportive village.

Katie: That’s stunning. And I feel that additionally illustrates what appears to be a false dichotomy that typically occurs on the subject of most cancers remedy or any type of medical remedy. It looks as if usually there’s a stress between the standard mannequin and the issues you have to do medically and the wellness facet. And it looks as if the very best outcomes truly occur when somebody is ready to entry all of these issues, that it’s not an both/or, however very a lot a each/and. And that you are able to do issues which can be supportive of your physique and in addition supportive of hopefully, the method of remedy and serving to your physique recuperate extra shortly. However that’s a extremely unbelievable story that hopefully offers hope to anybody else who may, sadly, be in the identical state of affairs. And also you talked about your follow, I’d like to delve into a few totally different areas right here as a result of I do know you’re employed with folks in a wide range of other ways.

However one other space I hear loads from girls about proper now and I’m wondering if COVID is perhaps a contributing issue right here, however is sexual wellness. And it looks as if there is a rise in sexual-related issues or simply libido and sexual satisfaction, particularly in girls. I don’t know if that is present or for those who’ve perhaps seen this for a very long time. So I’m curious for those who’re comfy sharing, for those who had any of these struggles once you went by way of your chemo journey, but in addition the ways in which you assist tackle that in your sufferers.

Dr. Bawa: Sure. Now, vaginal well being is one thing I’m very enthusiastic about. I do plenty of intimate wellness for each women and men at my follow, and chemo and most cancers remedies, most cancers medicines, even after chemo could cause plenty of adjustments in a girl’s hormonal steadiness. It threw me into menopause. So, you realize, there’s loads that goes flawed with most cancers and with growing old, normally. In my case, it was simply amplified due to the most cancers. However vaginal well being is one thing that could be very ignored. Ladies take higher care of their automobiles than they do their vaginas, sadly. And I’m right here once more as an advocate for good vaginal well being. And like I mentioned about hair loss on the subject of most cancers, why are we reacting? Why are we not stopping? I’m all about prevention as an alternative of remedy. So, I encourage girls to return get vaginal rejuvenation at a youthful age. So a lot of my sufferers say, “Nicely, I’m not that dangerous but.” And I’m telling you, it makes my head spin as a result of I need to clarify to girls world wide that they should deal with themselves sooner.

If you happen to tackle the issue earlier, youthful, you might have higher outcomes long-term. Your vagina will age in another way. It’s not simply your face that’s growing old, it’s your vagina as nicely. So I’m very huge in my follow on FemiWave. It’s acoustic wave remedy, actually utilizing sound waves to deliver higher blood circulate into your vaginal space, normally, not simply your clitoris, your labia, your pelvic ground, all of it wants good blood circulate. So this breaks down blockages and blood vessels like plaques. You realize, it’s not simply your coronary heart and the arteries in your coronary heart which have blockages as you become old, blood vessels in every single place develop blockages. So that is to advertise good, wholesome blood circulate. And that makes your pelvic ground stronger, which is one other factor that goes with age and childbirth and every thing else. I’m not saying that we’re curing incontinence, we’re actually making an enormous stride in the direction of minimizing it with this.

So I like to recommend it to girls of all ages. It additionally makes girls extraordinarily orgasmic, which is only a great plus level with it. So, we do O-Photographs at our follow, however we additionally do FemiWave due to the great, great results we’ve with it. And there’s little question, and that’s the great thing about it. We do vaginal laser rejuvenation as nicely at my follow with CO2. Now I’m not by any means saying something adverse about CO2, there’s a time and place for it. However I discover that FemiWave is one thing that helps girls throughout the board. I actually have an issue attempting to even inform you as a girl it is not going to work. And you realize what? Typically the query is, “Who will it assist?” I feel the query with FemiWave is totally different, “Who will it not assist?” And I actually can’t consider anybody it wouldn’t assist in some form or kind. In order that’s one thing that I’m very pleased to be doing. And we at the moment are a middle of excellence with each FemiWave for girls and GAINSWave for males. And I really feel that we’re doing a lot good to society, normally, by serving to folks this fashion.

Katie: So that you talked about that like that growing old course of occurs there as nicely, particularly simply as part of regular growing old. And I do know girls report extra pelvic ground points, particularly after childbirth, which makes full sense as a result of there’s some intense trauma that may occur throughout childbirth for lots of ladies. And I assume that this additionally impacts the sexual expertise fairly a bit and sexual well being that approach. Are there different elements, like for example, you talked about that that type of pulled you into menopause? I do know menopause usually impacts sexual well being for girls. Are this stuff that you just do in your workplace capable of assist type of tackle the, like, sexual satisfaction facet of that even after menopause for girls?

Dr. Bawa: Sure. What I do could be very complete. I really feel the totally different components of what I do are very synergistic with one another. For example, I don’t simply do hormone alternative, I prefer to name it hormone balancing as a result of there’s an imbalance in lots of features of our life as we age, as we struggle totally different ailments. In my case, it was most cancers, however in your case it’s thyroid illness. It’s no much less traumatic to your system. So I attempt to optimize well being. I attempt to optimize wellness, normally. So I prefer to take my sufferers and see them as the larger image, not only one a part of what I’m doing. So I’d optimize your hormones. I’d optimize your diet and your metabolic state of affairs with IV remedy. I’d do, you realize, GAINSWave for those who’re a person, I do FemiWave for those who’re a girl. These are issues that assist everybody. I can’t think about providing you with a subset that it might not assist. In some form or kind, it can assist everybody. After which I fine-tune it additional. Does anyone want, you realize, for example, a vaginal laser? We will all the time try this. Do the lads want some type of treatment? We will try this. So I feel that this must be seen as a much bigger image and never bits and items.

Katie: I agree. It looks as if the very best outcomes in any realm occur once you tackle the physique as a complete and work and assist its pure processes versus countering them. In that realm, are there issues that you just discovered useful personally or that you just suggest to your sufferers that they will do at dwelling which can be supportive, whether or not it’s sure dietary practices? I do know prefer it looks as if sleep and hydration are throughout the board all the time good suggestions. I’m but to have anybody in 500 company on this podcast say sleep isn’t necessary and hydration doesn’t matter, however are there stuff you encourage your sufferers to do to assist enhance the consequences of those remedies and in addition that have been useful to you once you have been going by way of your journey?

Dr. Bawa: In fact, mindset was the primary factor for me. I felt that something I may do to calm my thoughts was useful. I feel meditation is underrated. I don’t suppose that it’s a must to sit for an hour and, you realize, stare on the house to meditate. I feel meditation may be various things to totally different folks. The concept is to calm your thoughts. If that’s by taking a stroll, if that’s by listening to a chunk of music you discover soothing. It doesn’t matter what it’s, I feel you have to calm your thoughts and discover steadiness inside your self above all. After which I feel that hydration is a superb factor. As you talked about, hydration is a fundamental factor. If you’re not hydrated, then nothing works nicely. Your pores and skin, your well being, normally, nothing works nicely with out hydration. Nutritionally, I’m not telling you it’s a must to eat natural, it’s not all the time possible, however no matter you’re consuming, I do suggest attempting your finest to have a extra inclusive weight loss program, extra fruit and veggies, not taking any group out of your weight loss program.

For example, chemo can result in plenty of weight achieve. It’s a fallacy when folks suppose that every one most cancers sufferers shed weight. Some achieve. I did. So I feel the concept is to not say that, “Oh, let me do keto. I’ll shed weight,” or let me do that or that, I’ll shed weight. I feel a balanced, nutritious diet with smart parts is necessary. It’s a boring factor to say, I do know. There’s nothing dramatic about what I’m saying, however that’s necessary. Stability is necessary in each facet. After which, in fact, I feel when yow will discover a physician close to you who may also help you with the issues that helped me. I used to be fortunate, I occurred to be doing this anyway. All I needed to do was come to work and, you realize, all of this was out there to me, however search out practitioners who consider in a holistic lifestyle, who’ve of their follow one thing that may enable you. Now, sexually, for example, we’ve talked about FemiWave. If you’re someplace the place you don’t have a FemiWave supplier, we also have a gadget. In the event that they contact us, we will all the time ship it to them. It’s an at-home intimate wellness gadget that makes use of the identical idea of sound wave know-how and makes use of sound waves to interrupt up blockages and produce good blood circulate into the vaginal space. It’s not as sturdy as what we do within the workplace, nevertheless it’s an exquisite adjunct for every other remedy or anything you’re doing in your life. If you happen to can’t get to us personally, not less than use this at dwelling. It is rather useful.

Katie: And I’m curious for those who can communicate to perhaps in simply generalities or perhaps particular instances with out utilizing figuring out particulars, however what sort of causes folks usually want these sorts of remedies? Like, I feel most individuals perhaps don’t notice that you just see these type of blockages in all tissue, not simply in your coronary heart, like folks perceive in that degree. However it might seem to be rising blood circulate could be a reasonably dramatic shift. What sort of outcomes do folks sometimes see?

Dr. Bawa: Oh my goodness, I’ve a YouTube channel, Bawa Medical, and one of many movies I posted nearly every week in the past is a few gentleman who is nearly 69. His girlfriend is 4 months older than him they usually’re having the very best intercourse of their lives. They’ve each had remedies from us. The gents had GAINSWave and he says that, you realize, they’re having intercourse not less than as soon as a day, if not twice a day. And typically they’ve nooners. That to me is inspirational for anyone half his age, not to mention anyone who’s nearly 70 years previous. So are we seeing outcomes? We’re completely seeing outcomes. We’re altering lives. What we do is transformational. At my follow, I’m giving them a brand new lease on life. It doesn’t matter what age you might be. If in case you have an issue, there’s no level in denying it, settle for it, discover assist, and reside your finest life. Are you aware that 20% of males of their 20s undergo from erectile dysfunction? No person thinks that the 20s may deliver dysfunction, nevertheless it’s completely true. It’s a recognized truth inside the scientific neighborhood that 20% of males of their 20s have it, 30% of their 30s, 40% of their 40s. It simply goes up about 10% per decade of life.

Now, such as you mentioned, we don’t all the time have these research in girls. There’s a glass ceiling for girls and never simply within the workforce, sadly. We are sometimes blown off, we’re referred to as histrionic, hysterical, you realize, hysteria, the idea of hysteria, you realize, once you look again at how the time period started, it’s very denigrating to girls. So I’m not right here to say that…you realize, I’m not right here for a girls’s lib dialogue, I’m simply right here to say that girls, we don’t all the time have the research for us, we don’t all the time have the statistics for us, however now we’ve choices and we must always go make the most of them. Do that for yourselves. Get some assist. There’s assist on the market.

Katie: And I do know that it’s been a comparatively dramatic shift, these decline in hormone ranges and the rise in ED, even in younger males. And I do know we see low testosterone, even in younger males. I’ve even seen some statistics that males usually can have a 3rd of the testosterone their grandfathers did on the similar age. And to me, that speaks to the truth that we all know that we’ve had huge environmental adjustments which can be resulting in a few of these issues. Our meals provide has modified. So now it turns into necessary to be extra proactive. When we’ve extra adverse inputs that we’ve to cope with, we’ve to develop into extra proactive in counteracting these issues. And to circle again to what you mentioned too about weight loss program as nicely, and consuming a balanced, nutritious diet and never coming from a spot of deprivation, I feel that’s one thing that uniquely impacts girls extra as nicely due to weight loss program tradition and due to a few of these issues we talked about early on.

And it looks as if many ladies battle with the mindset of with the ability to nourish their our bodies sufficient and with the ability to eat sufficient various meals to actually truly assist our physique. So I like that you just introduced that up as a result of that’s one thing I’ve mentioned on right here earlier than is we’ve to shift that mindset once more, with mindset being so necessary away from like meals is dangerous. There’s guilt hooked up to meals. I must weight loss program and be thinner, to I like and settle for my physique, how can I nourish it to the easiest way potential? How do I assist it? How do I assist its pure processes of cleansing, of anti-aging? Our our bodies are so unbelievable in what they will do, they simply want just a little bit extra assist in immediately’s world as a result of they’re dealing with greater than they’ve up to now.

Dr. Bawa: Completely. Now, I hope I can contact on…you mentioned so many great issues. I want I used to be writing as a result of… And I’m going to return as soon as we report this and really speak about this alone social media platforms as a result of what you mentioned is profound. Now you introduced up dropping testosterone ranges. Are you aware that sleep deprivation in males is inflicting decrease fertility, decrease testosterone ranges? Once more, that’s one thing folks don’t speak about. It’s not an attractive subject, nevertheless it’s true. Sleep deprivation is inflicting that. Now you mentioned earlier about…you mentioned one thing easy, you mentioned, I do know that sleep and hydration are quite simple. Sure, they’re easy, however they’re so profound. If you happen to don’t get sufficient sleep, you might have decrease fertility. So when you might have decrease fertility, that impacts so many various features of your life, and that’s only one instance of what sleep deprivation does.

So then you definitely talked about, you realize, different adjustments which can be taking place, different issues which can be taking place with tradition, the place we’re made to really feel lower than. Now, I used to be a measurement 0-2 once I was recognized with most cancers, I’m in all probability a measurement 6 proper now. And I’m not being laborious on myself. I’m not depriving myself. Don’t get me flawed, I’m not consuming all the bread basket. But when I need a slice of bread, I’m consuming it. I’m not ingesting a ton of alcohol, but when I’d like a glass of wine, I’m permitting myself a glass of wine often. I feel we must be kinder to ourselves as girls and as males. I feel society could be very robust on us. I feel there’s this complete idea of superficial magnificence. And that’s why I went to Miss Florida as a result of I used to be combating that idea of conventional magnificence. I went at my heaviest. I went once I was nonetheless swollen from my mastectomy. I used to be nonetheless, you realize, coping with fluid retention. I feel the idea of magnificence must be modified. Magnificence must be present in no matter stage you’re in. And it’s not about others making you are feeling stunning, that feeling wants to return from inside.

I perceive that society must be kinder to folks going by way of struggles. I get that. And that’s a given. However that power wants to return from inside us. If you look in that mirror, you have to see somebody stunning, somebody sturdy, somebody who has persevered. Now we have all gone by way of struggles in life. We’re all winners in our personal approach. I could have gone to medical college. I could put on an extended white coat. My successes are totally different than your successes. We’re the one ones who know what a hero we’re and we have to really feel that. That’s what I need to do, encourage folks to feeling and being their finest. It wants to return from inside actually.

Katie: Yeah, I agree. That was an necessary mindset shift for me as a result of such as you, I struggled with the bodily adjustments of thyroid illness and simply of getting six infants in 9 years. It was loads for my physique to course of. And the mindset piece, I’ve talked about this just a little bit earlier than on this podcast, however issues didn’t actually begin shifting bodily till I addressed that mindset piece. And once I may take a look at the mirror and discover love and acceptance for myself, it turned a lot simpler to function from a spot of nourishing my physique as an alternative of combating it and loving it as an alternative of depriving it. And that made the entire distinction. I feel you’re proper, that like that magnificence has to return and that appreciation and that love and acceptance and pleasure has to return from inside. And as girls, that additionally offers us the flexibility to be that for different folks as nicely. However it could actually’t come from a spot of not having it for us to start with. And a few extra notes I had on my present notes I wanna be sure we contact on, I’ve learn and heard about girls affected by one thing referred to as anorgasmia, which appears to be on the rise as nicely. Are you able to clarify why that’s taking place? And whether it is on the rise, why you suppose it is perhaps on the rise proper now, after which how girls can tackle that?

Dr. Bawa: There are numerous explanation why girls are having issues orgasming. For one, I don’t know that many people notice that solely 18% of ladies can orgasm from vaginal intercourse, from the penetration itself. So there are various things at play right here. One, we have to make our companions conscious that oral stimulation or exterior stimulation is extra necessary. We have to have higher vaginal well being, normally. Like I mentioned, we have to deliver higher blood circulate into the world to get up our nerves, to get up our blood vessels. I feel individuals who have anorgasmia or who’ve painful intercourse…these are two totally different points. Some individuals are having painful intercourse. Some individuals are not having painful intercourse, however they’re getting nowhere when they’re having intercourse. There are numerous parts to this. So I feel wellness as a complete is gonna contribute to it after which schooling that there’s a downside. It’s okay to have that downside. And it’s okay to talk about that downside. If you tackle it together with your physician and also you inform your physician, “Hear, I’ve no sensation. I’m not getting there,” then I feel there are just a few necessary parts to this.

It’s worthwhile to communicate to a therapist. There are therapists who focus on sexual remedy and sexual wellness, they usually may also help you with this. With regards to the physique itself, there are docs like me who do FemiWave, who do hormone balancing, who will enable you with the O-Shot and make you extra orgasmic. So there are totally different instruments that you have to assist your self with. Once more, it’s not only one factor, I want there was only one factor, however there are a number of issues you are able to do to assist your self. And so they all contribute. I feel all of them work collectively higher synergistically and any one in all them by themselves. So I feel there’s loads on the market. We simply must get that assist.

Katie: And I feel having the dialog, I do know like several sexual well being subject is just a little bit taboo and, like, I feel it raises eyebrows each time I speak about it on right here, however I feel the dialog can also be essential as a result of we all know that that’s tied into general well being. And to your level, I feel it is a subject that’s not talked about sufficient, particularly for girls. We actually see all of the commercials for all of these points for males. And it looks as if when males have a battle with that, it turns into an important, imminent factor to repair. However girls, I really feel like usually are extra hesitant to speak about it or really feel like one thing’s flawed with them and really feel disgrace round it. And to your level, I didn’t notice it was that drastic of a statistic, however for a lot of girls, simply penetrative intercourse usually isn’t sufficient, however that’s one thing that they really feel dangerous speaking about or they really feel like they’re not regular due to that. And so I feel opening the dialog and letting them notice that there are alternatives and issues that may assist a lot, however even simply beginning that dialog and taking that disgrace and that societal notion away from it’s such an necessary first step for girls. And I’m so glad we’re in a time when there are issues like this out there and we’re beginning to lastly have this dialog.

Dr. Bawa: Completely. Now I get in hassle typically on my social media although. I’ve very dignified posts. I’m not exhibiting something that’s express. I imply, my posts aren’t pornographic, however even Instagram and Fb will typically take my posts off as a result of I discussed intercourse or one thing sexual. Now, I’m a medical physician, I’m not doing something inappropriate, however there may be disgrace even to that extent. Now let me inform you one thing completely unbelievable. I made a decision to take my kids on a trip and shut the workplace for every week and my assistant went on a trip along with her household. We consider in having a life at Bawa Medical, we’re allowed to go on trip. We closed down our workplace and we acquired an answering service to reply our calls in order that sufferers may not less than make and alter appointments whereas we have been gone for simply 5 enterprise days.

Are you aware that I acquired a name as soon as I used to be already in one other city from my answering service they usually mentioned to me, “Sorry, Dr. Bawa, we all know we talked to you and we set this complete account up, however we can’t reply your calls as a result of some folks name for vaginal rejuvenation, and that’s an inappropriate subject.” I mentioned, “Are you severe? Vaginal rejuvenation is inappropriate?” We’re not calling a porn channel, we’re not calling, you realize, “Hustler” or “Playboy.” These are, you realize, folks calling the physician’s workplace. Why is that this taboo? And so they mentioned, “Nicely, it’s embarrassing and it’s inappropriate.” I mentioned, “What about vaginal well being is inappropriate to you?” And these have been girls telling me this. So, I used to be horrified, horrified that in immediately’s day and age, within the yr 2021, my answering service decides to not take my calls as a result of I provide vaginal rejuvenation and that’s offensive to them. So there must be a mindset shift right here.

Katie: I agree. That’s type of astounding that sufferers contact their precise physician a few medical downside…like, to me that might be the identical as like much like a pregnant lady attempting to name her OB and being informed, “Oh, I’m sorry, we will’t speak about that as a result of your vagina is concerned.” Like, that’s astounding to me.

Dr. Bawa: I simply…you realize, my head was spinning. I nonetheless bear in mind I used to be getting out of a cab in Philadelphia and I mentioned, “What a part of that is inappropriate? What a part of that is dangerous? Please clarify to me.” I actually requested the woman, I mentioned, “Ma’am with all due respect, do you might have a vagina? Do you ever discover that you just need assistance from a physician in your vagina? I don’t count on you to reply that query,” I mentioned to her, “however how will you deny girls the chance to make appointments for his or her vaginal well being?” So, I could offer you a small instance of the answering service, nevertheless it signifies a much bigger concern. It’s not okay to speak about it most often. Why? We’re all men and women, I imply, sexual well being is necessary. We’re all in a state of affairs the place we’ve the correct to have good, intimate wellness and to not be informed that it’s dangerous or soiled or upsetting to the typical one that’s listening to us. Why is it upsetting to folks? What are we speaking about that’s inappropriate?

If it’s okay to speak about cardiac well being, why is it inappropriate to speak about sexual well being? Why is intercourse a unclean phrase? If it wasn’t for intercourse, you and I’d not be alive immediately. It’s not essentially a nasty factor. And why ought to we be denied high quality of life? A great intercourse life results in a greater relationship, results in a greater high quality of life. If you happen to don’t dribble urine once you train, you aren’t gonna have higher cardiac well being. I imply, it’s a much bigger concern than simply about your vagina and your bladder.

That’s why I say that what we do at Bawa Medical is so transformational as a result of we remodel lives. And that’s why I feel that this must cease being such a taboo subject, that Instagram must cease deleting my posts once I speak about it, that YouTube must cease sending me, you realize, little emails warning me concerning the content material I’m placing out. Why am I being referred to as an issue baby as a result of I’m specializing in an issue that we’re all dealing with? So, a lot of this, there must be a shift in how we take into consideration this. It must be okay to speak. And that’s why I’m so pleased you’re speaking about it.

Katie: Nicely, and also you’re so proper. I feel that the dialog is so necessary. And for girls simply to listen to that simply because these issues are frequent, it doesn’t imply they must be regular, or actually that they must expertise them. I’ve had six infants, 5 of them got here out vaginally and I don’t dribble urine once I train or leap on a trampoline or sneeze. That doesn’t must be a factor. I feel many ladies assume that’s only a factor that occurs when you might have children, nevertheless it doesn’t must be. I feel beginning the dialog is step one towards it.

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And likewise a theme from this complete interview has been the mindset piece. And I feel that’s additionally an space the place there’s a lot alternative for all of us, however particularly girls on the subject of these matters actually to have the ability to develop and enhance as a result of there’s a lot tied up in that.

And I’ve a notice in my present notes that for those who have been going to offer a TED Speak, it might be on why you shouldn’t let adversity beat you down and that mindset piece. And I like that regardless of all of your experience within the medical world, that that’s the factor that brings…is an important to you. So I’d love to listen to just a little bit extra about that as a result of I feel you’re proper, mindset permeates by way of every thing and is so, so necessary. So, I’d simply love to listen to just a little little bit of your perspective on that, having been by way of adversity and never letting it beat you down.

Dr. Bawa: You realize, every thing about who I’m immediately has been as a result of I made a decision to beat adversity. I used to be a sufferer of…and I don’t speak about this normally, and I’m going to strive to not choke up about it as I speak about it, however abuse, abuses and…and right here I’m going once more. Abuse is one thing that’s an enormous deal. Abuse is one thing that goes throughout all instructional, monetary limitations. I used to be a sufferer of plenty of emotional, home abuse and ultimately bodily abuse as nicely. And also you wouldn’t suppose that a physician in my state of affairs would cope with that, however I did. I overcame that. I’m not in that state of affairs anymore, it lasted a few years. I gained’t go into a lot element about it, however the level is it was a few mindset. One thing needed to change and I made a change. Most cancers, one thing needed to change, it couldn’t simply be about illness. It couldn’t simply be about vomiting. It couldn’t simply be about dropping hair. I needed to make it one thing that helped me develop into a much bigger individual, a greater individual. And I had to make use of my most cancers and my adversity to be a greater physician.

So, I’ve determined that it doesn’t matter what occurs to me in life, I’m going to make use of something adverse that occurs to me to assist me develop in no matter form or kind that is perhaps, to indicate my sons, who’re my world, that life isn’t concerning the negativity that occurs to us, it’s about what we select to do to rework it. And that’s why I feel that if I used to be to ever give a TED Speak, I hope to sometime, you by no means know, it might be about beating adversity. Like, I discussed about Miss Florida, it was by no means a few pageant. It was a a lot greater factor than only a pageant. It was about redefining mindset of a most cancers affected person. It was about redefining the concept of magnificence in most cancers as a result of most cancers isn’t imagined to be stunning, proper? That’s not how we’re raised to consider it. Most cancers is one thing that makes you lower than your self. You lose your hair, you lose your pores and skin, you achieve weight, you shed weight, however both approach, you’re not at your finest. So we assume that which means we’re not stunning. No, you might be simply as stunning if no more so as a result of now you might have overcome another factor. So, adversity is one thing that helps me reside a greater life. It doesn’t make sense, it’s nearly oxymoronic when you consider adversity and higher life, however that’s how I select to see it. Adversity for me is a chance for additional progress.

Katie: I absolutely agree having been by way of trauma in my previous as nicely, I can now…I feel it takes some work and emotional shifts to get there, however I can now look again and have gratitude for all the teachings that got here from that and the issues that it allowed me to do and such as you, to assist different folks by way of that have and thru that story. Similar factor with my thyroid. I by no means would have cared a lot for well being had I not been given a purpose. And I’m so grateful that that shift occurred. I feel you’re completely proper that that mindset piece is so necessary and that it isn’t what occurs to us, it’s how we select to interpret that, reply to that, and develop from that or not as a result of we actually all the time have that alternative as nicely. For me personally, one of many books that was useful in that was referred to as “The Untethered Soul,” and it helped me to course of a few of these feelings. And that’s one other query I like to ask at this level in interviews is that if there’s a e-book or quite a few books which have had a profound impression in your life or your journey, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?

Dr. Bawa: I feel a e-book that all the time comes up in my thoughts once I’m requested a query about books or a e-book that has modified me is a e-book referred to as “Outliers.” Outlier is a e-book written by Malcolm Gladwell about achievement and failure and what defines a winner, how the winners are normally outliers on the tip of that spectrum a method or one other, and what number of occasions it’s a must to do one thing to succeed, to develop into good at it. And I feel that it’s a lot about perseverance and about rising above the typical, above the norm that I feel is a e-book that basically helps me proceed my journey in the direction of self-improvement, in the direction of reaching excessive requirements. I’m a excessive achiever. It doesn’t matter what I do in life, I don’t settle for mediocrity. Mediocrity to me is a four-letter phrase. “It doesn’t matter what you do,” my father as soon as mentioned to me, once I was about 5 years previous, “if you wish to be a chef, have Michelin stars after your identify. If you wish to be a physician, be the perfect you may be.” So it’s not about what you do, it’s about excelling at it. You realize, if you wish to be anyone who does muffins for a dwelling, be Sylvia Weinstock. There’s greatness to be achieved in every thing. In order that’s, you realize, one thing that I feel “Outliers” helped me define in my very own life.

Katie: That’s stunning. I like that. And I’ll, in fact, put hyperlinks to your follow and to some publish referring to a number of the matters we’ve talked about immediately for any of you guys listening, particularly in case you are within the Florida space and need to discover Dr. Bawa and study. These hyperlinks shall be there. However any parting recommendation for our listeners immediately, whether or not it’s on mindset or well being or any of the matters we’ve mentioned?

Dr. Bawa: I feel if I may truly give two items of recommendation for those who’ll let me, I feel I’d prefer to say two issues. Firstly, girls, please go get examined, do month-to-month exams. They’re not simply one thing in a textbook, they save lives. They saved mine. So be higher advocates for yourselves, that is necessary. If there’s one thing flawed, go discover assist. And in case your physician blows you off, blow the physician off, discover one other physician who will take heed to you. Secondly, I’d say, I consider in high quality of life, be it in your sexual well being, be it in what you see once you look within the mirror. If you happen to’re not pleased together with your hair, do one thing to make your hair higher. There may be assist on the market. If you happen to’re not having the very best intercourse of your life, do one thing to make your self have the very best intercourse of your life. Whether or not it’s balancing your hormones, whether or not it’s doing one thing like FemiWave, whether or not it’s, you realize, doing one thing nutritionally. No matter it’s that you just’re not proud of, don’t be complacent. So a lot of my sufferers say, “Nicely, I’m not that dangerous but.” That idea is mindless to me. Why would you wait until that time? Why would you wait until your life within the bed room is a whole catastrophe earlier than you make it higher?

Why not go do one thing like FemiWave, for example, the place it’s acquired no downtime, it’s not painful? Do one thing for your self. If you happen to’re having points together with your hormones and also you’re having scorching flashes, communicate to your physician about optimizing your hormones. Do this. So, I feel, reside your finest life, no matter which means to you. In no matter form or kind you’ll be able to elevate your existence, do it.

Katie: I like that. And I feel that sums up plenty of what we talked about immediately and is an ideal place to wrap up. However I’m very grateful in your time immediately. I’m very grateful that you’ve recovered, and also you’re thriving, and that you just’re serving to many different folks do the identical. Thanks for being right here.

Dr. Bawa: Thanks a lot for having me. This was great.

Katie: And thanks as all the time to you, guys, for listening, for sharing your most respected belongings, your time and vitality, and a focus with us immediately. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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