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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from and That’s Wellnesse with an E on the top. And this episode goes deep on issues like PANS and PANDAS, which I’ve gotten quite a lot of questions on and don’t have any first-hand expertise with however wished to offer a superb useful resource for anybody who’s within the technique of coping with these particular circumstances. And I’m right here with Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge, who’s the founding father of the World Institute of Youngsters’s Psychological Well being. And Forbes has known as her a thought chief in kids’s psychological well being. She’s labored with hundreds of households, particularly these with Lyme illness, PANS/PANDAS, and another sort of situation. And she or he’s the creator of the ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” and the Get Unstuck Program.

And I believed she was a terrific knowledgeable to have on. We actually go deep on these circumstances, why we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in youngsters, the elements which have modified a lot within the final couple of many years which can be affecting our children. We go deep on each the physiological and the psychological well being elements which can be concerned, and why we’re seeing an increase in quite a lot of these circumstances, why so many youngsters are getting misdiagnosed, and what you are able to do as a mum or dad to each assist your little one keep away from these circumstances and likewise what to do in the event that they have already got them. It’s a very fascinating episode. She’s a lot enjoyable, so well-spoken. And with out additional ado, let’s be part of her. Dr. Roseann, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Dr. Roseann: Effectively, I’m so excited to achieve all these mamas on the market and supporting not simply youngsters’ psychological well being however household psychological well being in a time the place we want it greater than ever.

Katie: Effectively, and definitely, any mother is aware of youngsters’ psychological well being immediately impacts the entire household’s psychological well being very drastically. And I’d say it’s most likely no secret that we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in all demographics however together with kids, which is the place I feel I get essentially the most unhappy after I see little ones struggling via a few of these issues. And I do know I’ve seen quite a lot of articles that over the previous 12 months this has actually intensified. I do know there’s quite a lot of elements, a part of it most likely youngsters being separated from faculty environments, and from their regular social interactions, and from actions and from time exterior in some instances, however I do know it’s can also go deeper than that as effectively. So, are you able to stroll us via why we’re seeing such an increase in kids’s psychological well being points, particularly previously 12 months or so?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it’s such a terrific query as a result of we’re seeing an increase in youngsters’ psychological well being lengthy earlier than the pandemic occurred, which is why in January of 2020, I began the World Institute of Youngsters’s Psychological Well being as a result of in these 30 years, Katie, I’ve simply seen such a rise in issues like anxiousness, despair, autism has simply gone via the roof, and issues like PANS and PANDAS, which had been just about non-existent after I began 30 years in the past. And so, you understand, why is that this taking place? It’s positively a multifaceted challenge. We all know what’s taking place proper now. We are able to dive into that. However let’s dial it again. Let’s speak about all these elements which have made it the place some youngsters are actually struggling through the pandemic regardless of having nice houses or none of these danger elements, like, you understand, points with their dad and mom being extremely careworn or financial points which have affected them through the pandemic.

You realize, youngsters are struggling extra at present. And a few of that’s as a result of environmental modifications, like lecturers, being far more intense, colleges being typically developmentally inappropriate for teenagers, for instance, writing, the calls for on youngsters writing after they’re bodily not as succesful have dramatically elevated within the final 15 years. And that’s actually annoying on youngsters. However we even have poor meals high quality. We have now a rise in genetic mutations. We have now a lower in bodily train. And the way about downtime? Children don’t actually have downtime in the identical manner. So this has all, kind of, led to this rise. And on prime of it, our parenting types have modified. We aren’t parenting our children in a really autonomous manner, so youngsters can actually develop this resilience and grit, and be taught coping expertise, which solely come from these little moments of failure, that train youngsters how you can tolerate disappointment, uncomfortableness, all these feelings. And children have to be taught these expertise independently as a result of when huge stuff occurs, such as you get into an enormous struggle along with your finest good friend or your boyfriend, or you’re failing a category in school, that you’ve got an inner resilience to deal with these conditions with stride as a result of stress occurs.

After which proper now, why are youngsters having such a annoying expertise? You realize, in the event that they walked in, Katie, to the pandemic, with a pre-existing psychological well being challenge or a household historical past of annoying experiences, they’re gonna be extra more likely to expertise stress. However what we all know via analysis, survey analysis in america, Asia, and in addition to Europe is that there’s a actual improve in anxiousness and despair for teenagers. And one startling statistic is that 50% of youngsters and younger adults who’ve a direct member of the family with COVID have a danger of reasonable to extreme despair, which is surprising. So youngsters have a lack of connection. There’s worry across the virus. There’s the virus itself, and simply the Wild West educationally, the disruption in training and fogeys being actually careworn and overwhelmed has all contributed to what’s going on with youngsters, this uptick in psychological well being points.

Katie: That is sensible and it looks as if quite a lot of elements to handle. I’m proper there with you on, sort of, the modifications in parenting types. I bought some good classes from my grandma earlier than she handed away about how a lot completely different that’s now. And that’s at all times been my focus with mine is to attempt to increase them to be as autonomous and self-sufficient as attainable as early as attainable whereas, after all, giving them the instruments to do this in a mature and useful manner. I’ve a motto with them that I gained’t do something for them that they’re able to doing themselves. So even the little ones begin their very own laundry fairly early and are very concerned round the home.

And likewise, we actually attempt to curate time for them to be bored and to play exterior, and to not simply have fixed construction to allow them to be taught a few of these expertise. I do know I’m a giant fan of anytime youngsters are enjoying, there’ll at all times be the inevitable little spats or disputes or determining the foundations of the sport. And I’m such a fan of letting them work via that every time attainable as a result of such as you mentioned, they be taught from these interactions and from these little failures, and that interprets to later in life. And there’s quite a lot of instructions to go from right here. However earlier than we transfer on, why do you assume we’re seeing such a change in that parenting model that appears to have occurred inside the span of 1 era?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, effectively, we’ve shifted our focus to lecturers. And we’re utilizing lecturers as a benchmark for psychological well being. And quite a lot of dad and mom consider that, “Wow, if we get our children to deal with getting these straight As that life’s gonna be higher for them. Life’s gonna be simpler for them.” And it’s not the case as a result of folks with psychological well being points, youngsters and adults, are practical. They stroll round. They’re interacting. Some areas are going nice of their life, possibly it’s in lecturers, and different areas aren’t. And so, we’re not…Now I feel what is going on, Katie, on this pandemic, is we’re altering. We’re realizing, “Wait a second, my youngsters didn’t have a capability to handle stress or they don’t know how you can do their laundry.” I imply, what sage recommendation your grandma gave you, proper? Do issues by yourself and make errors since you’re 100% proper, it’s these little moments that change into the training lesson.

And so, we’ve shifted away from social-emotional growth. We discuss lots about it. However I don’t assume dad and mom actually perceive that it comes from being autonomous. And now we have this fear-driven society that if our children don’t have straight As, they are going to quantity to nothing. And this comes out of the mouths of youngsters, and school youngsters, and center faculty youngsters. They are saying the identical factor that their dad and mom are. And so we’ve shifted our focus to one thing that’s actually not gonna construct lifelong happiness. And the core to that’s this resilience and it comes from stress tolerance.

Katie: Yeah, that is sensible. And that’s most likely its personal matter for a distinct day. However that’s a world I wish to tackle, in addition to the a minimum of, like, post-secondary training world and the ways in which it’s not serving youngsters for the longer term that they’re arrange for. And a giant purpose why I homeschool is to have the ability to give my youngsters a greater basis in that sense. However I feel it’s additionally essential to focus on you talked about there are some particular physiological parts of what’s happening as effectively. I’ve talked about on this podcast earlier than that we’re seeing an enormous improve in environmental toxins, like, greater than another era. Such as you mentioned, we’re seeing a rise in genetic mutations, which is an attention-grabbing, actually essential matter to delve into itself. We all know that our meals provide isn’t as nutrient-dense because it as soon as was. As mothers, we’re sort of combating a battle typically on many fronts, however let’s speak about a few of these physiological elements that come into play as effectively and what we will do about them.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So, you understand, I discuss lots about this in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” I delve into quite a lot of these root causes about what’s taking place. And so, genetic mutation is one thing that individuals, you understand, could have heard about, however haven’t any understanding of its connection to a baby’s bodily and psychological well being. And what has been taking place on this time that we’ve modified in a era is we’ve simply had a dramatic improve in these mutations, and one particularly known as MTHFR. There are others. And I’m going actually deeply into them in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” is altering how our children are using important nutritional vitamins, significantly the B nutritional vitamins, and our nervous system can’t regulate correctly, nor can it detoxify correctly. And each of these elements are going to affect our mind well being and nervous system. And so it’s positively a root trigger as to why we’re seeing a lot improve in issues prefer it’s correlated with ADHD, and anxiousness, and despair. It’s additionally correlated right into a specialty that I’ve folks with persistent bodily ailments that result in psychological well being points. So issues like PANS and PANDAS, Lyme illness, and various kinds of an infection and poisonous triggers that may result in PANS/PANDAS or autoimmune encephalopathy.

And so, these are some sources that youngsters are actually struggling each within the bodily and the psychological well being aspect. And we will’t escape the connection between the mind and physique. We discuss lots about it in psychological well being, proper? We should always at all times be speaking about thoughts, physique, and spirit however we’re not instructing households about what they’ll do to alter issues on that mobile degree with weight-reduction plan, train, hacks in vitamins, proper? So taking particular dietary supplements and past. There’s quite a lot of issues dad and mom can do to immediately affect their little one’s psychological well being proper now, but additionally for future generations, which is surprising to folks after they hear about that, you understand, very clever folks know meals is essential however they don’t know why. They don’t know the way it reduces irritation. Oh, it addresses, you understand, taking a look at at a deeper degree, what are allergy responses and the way do these vitamins really energy up very particular forms of areas within the mind?

Katie: And I’m glad you introduced up PANS and PANDAS as a result of I get an rising variety of questions on these, which tells me that they’re most likely on the rise. And it’s an space I don’t have quite a lot of firsthand expertise. However I’m listening to from quite a lot of mothers who both have youngsters who they know have a analysis or fear that their youngsters might need this and are having bother getting a analysis. And it looks as if there’s quite a lot of complexity to this. And there may be quite a lot of elements that come into play and quite a lot of signs. So, to begin broad after which we’ll dial in, give us an outline of what PANS and PANDAS are. What does that stand for and what’s happening within the physique?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So thanks for bringing this up as a result of PANS, PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy are three separate problems which have the identical supply. And the signs largely are the identical. They usually’re all dramatically on the rise. The analysis says that about 150 out of 200 youngsters have one in all these problems, and it will probably have fairly a dramatic affect on our psychological well being. So let’s speak about what they’re, let’s discuss in regards to the signs, after which let’s speak about what folks can do about it. So, to begin with, I’m a frontrunner on this space. I’ve a ebook that I co-wrote known as “Mind Below Assault.” I discuss lots about PANS and PANDAS in all of my work and in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” And, you understand, it’s very laborious to seek out individuals who may help you anyplace on the planet.

So, PANS and PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy, what occurs is there’s an infectious or poisonous set off that causes a misdirected immune response, the physique begins attacking itself. There’s an inflammatory response. After all, it impacts, on this case, the mind. There may be different bodily parts of it, like joint ache, and it will probably affect anyplace within the physique. However with PANS and PANDAS, it’s a sudden onset or a deep acceleration of a pre-existing challenge. And I actually like to focus on that as a result of my folks, all my beautiful mamas on the market who’re listening, a lot of my youngsters have pre-existing circumstances. They usually even have a buying cart stuffed with diagnoses, like ODD, ADD, OCD, despair, anxiousness, you title it, studying disabilities. And there could be a actual worsening, proper? So PANDAS is from strep. PANS may be any an infection and poisonous. After which autoimmune encephalopathy, which, you understand, takes a very long time to have the ability to pronounce that, we’re gonna name it AE. AE is a slower waxing and waning onset. It doesn’t need to be dramatic in a single day. And I wish to additionally spotlight that as a result of these youngsters get missed.

Many of the youngsters that I work with, they’re PANS youngsters. There’s, you understand, one poisonous set off or one an infection, as soon as it begins, different issues like to return to the occasion. And so this immune system breaks down. And also you might need moles in there. You realize, you might need, you understand, scarlet fever, a historical past of scarlet fever, mycoplasma pneumonia, tick-borne illness. Tick-borne illness is among the largest triggers. It’s not the one set off however it’s that and strep and mycoplasma pneumonia and mono, Epstein-Barr. I might say these are the 4 largest triggers. After which there’s an enormous checklist of various issues. So what is going to dad and mom see? Okay?

So PANDAS, clearly, it’s a strep an infection however right here’s what you’ll be able to see behaviorally in all three. So you’ll be able to see obsessive-compulsive dysfunction. You’ll be able to see anxiousness, despair, you’ll be able to see bodily or motor tics, after which another psychological well being situation you probably can consider in addition to quite a lot of rage for some folks. So you’ll be able to have externalizing behaviors, like rage, violence, you understand, desirous to hurt different folks. After which on the opposite finish, you’ll be able to have internalizers, youngsters which can be so depressed that may’t get away from bed. And when it’s a sudden onset, when it’s a deep acceleration, dad and mom will do issues like inform me, Katie, it felt prefer it was a demonic possession. Like, it was so excessive, they didn’t know what the heck was happening.

So, then you can also have such excessive instances the place dad and mom will know the precise day, the date it occurred. Like, it was February 12th, 2019. Whenever you see that you understand is in the future and there was no precipitating occasion…And after I take into consideration youngsters, I take into consideration grief and loss. You realize, I feel there was a lack of a grandparent or a canine or a bullying incident or one thing like that. It’s good to be contemplating PANS and PANDAS as a result of our immune programs are breaking down attributable to a few of these issues we talked about, genetic mutation, poor meals high quality, persistent, persistent stress on youngsters. And persistent stress doesn’t imply you don’t have a gorgeous house and a gorgeous road and your youngsters go to a gorgeous faculty. It means our nervous programs are in a hyper-stress modality. And when that occurs, our sources in our physique go to seek out the stressor and ignore antigens like Lyme illness, or any tick-borne sickness, or no matter it’s.

So then you’ll be able to have aggressive behaviors, Katie. So that you could be a child who is sort of a nice scholar in actually stopped studying. I see this on a regular basis, lack of handwriting. After which two different behaviors are quite common. One is frequent urination and separation anxiousness. And so when you’ve got a sudden onset or worsening of a pre-existing situation that appears so out of the peculiar, I’m gonna inform you this isn’t regular. Don’t consider that the primary line that if one thing is absolutely excessive that your little one is psychotic for no purpose that possibly they’ve, you understand…These youngsters are identified with issues like schizophrenia, bipolar. And also you wanna at all times search for medical sources.

And if this seems like your individual little one or possibly your niece or nephew or, you understand, your good friend Betty down the road, have a take heed to this podcast. I imply, because of this we do that as a result of these youngsters are all around the world and they’re in psychiatric hospitals. They usually go from hospital to hospital and so they’re not getting applicable medical remedy, and so they’re being missed. And that is prison as a result of we ought to be testing youngsters for these frequent sources of psychological well being points. If it’s 1 in 150, 200 youngsters, that’s frequent.

Katie: Yeah. Oh, a lot to unpack there. So I agree. Is there, like, a medical set of assessments that assist us determine this, or is it symptom-based, or how do dad and mom get to that analysis? As a result of I can solely assume again to my very own after I used to have Hashimoto’s, which is autoimmune. It took me so lengthy to lastly get a analysis, to seek out a physician who knew to check for the precise issues as a result of if it was like for those who solely examined T3 and T4, I used to be superb. And once you check antibodies, I used to be off the charts. And so I’m wondering, are the children getting missed within the testing or there are usually not nearly as good set requirements for testing protocols, or as a mum or dad, for those who suspect this, like, what ought to a mum or dad be advocating for?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, a lot to unpack even in that. So, primary, the primary drawback why these youngsters are usually not getting recognized is the dearth of practitioner data about what PANS and PANDAS are. And that’s pediatricians. That’s psychiatrists. That’s folks operating psychiatric hospitals. That’s therapists as a result of as quickly as they’re medically missed, growth, they go to psychotherapists. And so that’s the primary purpose why, folks. And that’s why you’ll want to discover anyone…if this seems like your child, you’ll want to discover a practitioner like myself otherwise you go to, which is a nationwide group, or Epidemic Solutions and so they have, you understand, practitioners in that space.

So, is there a check? There’s. This can be a medical analysis based mostly on signs. So is Lyme illness, which is usually surprising to folks. So now we have assessments. Like, in PANS and PANDAS, one specific set of assessments known as a Cunningham Panel. And a few folks consider that it’s important to have optimistic irritation markers. You realize, all this stuff need to be there. I’m gonna inform you completely not. That’s not what the medical standards says. And a few of these infectious ailments, significantly Tick-Borne illness, they’ll take years to point out up on lab work. And so if we dangle our hat on getting a optimistic check outcome, these infections get deeper within the organs. They get extra intrusive and it turns into more durable to deal with, not not possible. And tick-borne sickness, in as little as two weeks, can go from early-stage, which is fairly simple to deal with with antimicrobials, to late-stage. And late-stage implies that these micro organism, the spirochetes, have burrowed into some organ. And as soon as they burrow in as a result of they’ve a screw-in mechanism, these are extremely genetically developed micro organism, some consider essentially the most extremely genetically developed micro organism on the planet, it’s powerful.

And that’s, you understand, a part of…So this Lyme group and PANS and PANDAS, they should merge collectively as a result of let me inform you, the PANS and PANDAS mother, they’re powerful mamas and they’re actually transferring the dial quicker and getting assist for his or her youngsters than simply the, you understand, Lyme group in itself. So, no single check. Testing is useful as a result of we have to know what the infections are within the remedy triangle. You realize, you wanna have remedy for the an infection, remedy for the irritation, after which behavioral psychological well being remedy. That’s a remedy triangle to actually get our children higher.

Katie: And that was gonna be my subsequent query as a result of it looks as if since it is a fairly complicated factor that now we have happening within the physique and there may be quite a lot of completely different triggers. I’m guessing it’s additionally very hardly ever a single set off. Like, it looks as if typically the physique’s able to dealing with anybody assault fairly effectively. And there’s been quite a lot of whether or not it’s the rain bucket, or the bath, or all of the completely different analogies about all of the completely different inputs that may go in, however when you attain the highest, it’s gonna overflow, it doesn’t matter what you set in it. And I exploit that analogy with autoimmune illness. It seems like that applies right here, too. So it looks as if there’s a component of getting to actually, sort of, unpack all these layers and work out the triggers, after which additionally work out from there, like…So is that this a really individualized remedy plan the place with every little one, you’re working to determine it’d look completely different for everybody, or are there commonalities?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it isn’t…I imply, you understand, Katie, that whether or not it’s autoimmune illness, like Hashimoto’s or, you understand, PANS and PANDAS, or no matter it’s, there’s a person part. However that is the premise of my work, that regardless of who I work with, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS, I do know what holds them again. And it’s usually two issues that maintain them again from really therapeutic their physique and lowering and reversing these psychological well being signs. And it’s a hyper-stress-activated nervous system. So persons are so stunned that our autonomic nervous system, which is in command of managing on a regular basis stress, that these youngsters, it’s gonna be caught on. I’ve by no means met a child with autism or ADHD or anxiousness that doesn’t have a stress hyperactive nervous system.

And as I discussed earlier, your troops go to the unknown. What does that imply, your troops? It means your immune system, your hormone system, each single part of your physique which helps it to control and work actually goes to that one factor. So, your automobile that you simply’re driving, all your wheels are gonna be balanced on one wheel. It’s gonna be working. It’s not gonna be working effectively. And each time you get in that automobile, you’re like, “One thing’s improper. One thing’s improper. One thing’s improper.” And then you definately get your tires balanced and that’s with that nervous system. So, how I work with folks is I train them to control the nervous system. And I do it with quite a lot of biofeedback, neurofeedback, and PMF. That’s my magic juju. I consider in quite a lot of different issues, breathwork, and all that, and I lay it out in my ebook.

However the different a part of that is improper cleansing. It is rather uncommon that I’ve youngsters and adults who their physique is ready to detoxify each the precise toxin, infectious, you understand, micro organism agent and whatnot, but additionally their waste merchandise. So, you understand, now we have mycotoxins which can be in our system and also you say, you understand, persons are listening, “What do you imply cleansing? How do I do that?” Effectively, quite a lot of it’s life-style. And these are usually the 2 largest obstacles for those that are even getting superb remedy as a result of I work with people who find themselves going to those superb professionals and treating youngsters with PANS and Lyme illness in adults, and so they’re not getting higher. And it’s due to the stress hyperactive nervous system. It’s a physiological response. It’s known as psychoneuroimmunology. Your physique actually is not going to allow you to heal if you end up in a stress-activated state.

So it’s tremendous essential, it’s important to take…It’s a multifactorial challenge, which suggests there’s nobody factor that’s gonna work. It’s changes in your life-style. And as horrible as PANS and PANDAS is, and I’ve been working with folks with Lyme illness lengthy earlier than my 16-year-old bought it at 22 months, who we later discovered had PANS…So I dwell in an space the place infectious illness triggers for psychological well being are normal. They’re simply right here. We’re residing in, you understand, suburbs of New York, in Connecticut, and folks get Lyme illness. If I walked exterior proper now, Katie, and I stood on the grass, inside 10 minutes, I might have ticks crawling on my legs. So, it’s that scary. You’ll be able to’t see Katie, however she seems scared. You realize, and it’s there. And, you understand, for us nature lovers with our children, like, we have to join, proper? So I’ve needed to do quite a lot of preventative issues.

However, you understand, folks simply don’t perceive what PANS and PANDAS seem like. So, you understand, it will probably present up in a single day, and really sudden and really scary. You realize, when my child bought Lyme, he stopped consuming. And you understand what his physician mentioned? His physician mentioned, “Effectively, he’s 22 months outdated. That’s what 22-month-olds do.” And I mentioned, “Not Italian youngsters.” You realize, he was consuming, like, calamari for breakfast and, you understand, he was consuming these actually superb meals that we…you understand, I’ve solely been holistic my complete life. So, we didn’t eat processed meals. My child has by no means eaten off of a child’s menu, okay? And so after they advised me that, I used to be like, my mama intestine mentioned, “Uh-uh, no, no, no, no girl.” And I knew it was one thing else. However, after all, that’s what it was. However it may be a sudden onset or it may be this kind of waxing and waning and up and down after which dad and mom begin going, “What’s happening right here?” And that’s why they wind up getting diagnoses like, you understand, ADHD or different issues as a result of it will probably present up in so many various methods.

Katie: I feel one other essential level in all that is that tick-borne sickness can be very a lot on the rise. I feel lots of people don’t even notice there’s the connection right here. But additionally, tick-borne sickness can go in quite a lot of completely different instructions. And I’ve heard from quite a lot of adults who’ve had Lyme illness or numerous co-infections that got here after Lyme illness. So, I’m curious in case you have, a bit little bit of a aspect notice, however any preventative ideas for that? As a result of we ended up really transferring to an space that’s very low in ticks as a result of I actually don’t like ticks, and I’ve seen pals and what occurs to them with extreme Lyme, however any preventative ideas as a result of many individuals do dwell in tick borne areas.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve a number of preventative ticks, Katie…tick ideas. And that is the entire different podcast and we’re filming this in Might of 2021. And Might is Lyme Illness Month. It’s additionally Psychological Well being Month, and the way applicable is that? So to begin with, Lyme illness is on each continent besides Antarctica. Okay? So, there are excessive an infection charges, they’re known as endemic areas. There’s 14 states in america which have it. And so, all of us assume it’s solely within the woods. And as my scary story advised you, this isn’t true. So, please know that rodents carry this as a lot as deers, if no more. So rodents are in every single place. In my shishi-poopoo neighborhood, we’ve gotten rodents in our home as a result of my cats are sleeping on the job. You realize, it will probably occur at any time. So, let’s speak about prevention.

So there may be really one factor, Katie, that you are able to do that may cut back your likelihood of Lyme illness by 59%. And it’s not what you assume. It’s not the sprays, that are essential. It’s having a shower instantly after being exterior. And after I imply instantly being exterior, it’s anytime you’re exterior. You’re within the garden. You’ve gone to the seaside. There was simply this enormous article that got here out final week about how each seaside they’ll discover, within the tall grass, is crammed with ticks. So, take a peek the subsequent time and have a look in there since you’re gonna be shocked. So, having a shower instantly. That is the very best protocol that I’ve discovered that has at all times labored with my youngsters and even when my youngsters had been infants is we enter via the storage to seek out an entry level, have a transparent bin that may suit your garments, make your youngsters strip down, put their garments within the bin earlier than they enter the home and have them take a bathe. And at all times use a washcloth and have them get each floor of their physique.

Please know {that a} tick test is just not sufficient. Folks will inform me, “I do tick checks.” These are little tiny, tiny, tiny, you understand, nymphs. You’re not gonna see them. In order that’s actually essential. Spray is absolutely essential. Whether or not you consider in pure spray or DEET-based spray, that’s okay. They’re efficient. Don’t spray them collectively on the identical time. Important oils act as a provider of the mind. So for those who’re utilizing important oils-based sprays, you do not need DEET-based sprays. You wanna choose one or the and you need to use issues like permethrin, which treats your clothes. You realize, my feeling as anyone who’s gone via this horrendous 14-year journey with my very own child with Lyme, and accessing the highest specialists on the planet is that I’d relatively see you detox out toxins and actually create an actual protocol round that than need to cope with Lyme. So select one thing.

After which clear reduce and fence in an space of your yard if attainable. Ticks don’t like mild. They, you understand, gained’t cross over issues like mulch. So you may do a mulch border. As Hilaria Baldwin advised me, it’s a mulch moat. So after they cross over mulch, they are going to die within the warmth over that. It’s actually, actually essential for the solar to maintain your grass quick. You realize, in case you are utilizing, you understand, exterior, you understand, have a devoted space that may be basically as tick-free as attainable. And you’ll spray your garden. You realize, oil of oregano is a superb spray. However simply assume you’re gonna have ticks.

After which the spring and the autumn are the worst instances. The spring is after they’re most aggressive. After which additionally simply know that you simply do not need to have an engorged tick for it to transmit tick-borne sickness. The second a tick bites you, it empties the contents of its abdomen into you. And so, you understand, the charges of those ticks carrying tick-borne an infection are very, very excessive. The analysis is anyplace from our space, it discovered 91% of ticks carried a minimum of one tick-borne sickness, as little as 30%. However you’ve got a really excessive danger that tick transmitting, you understand, to you. So prevention, prevention, prevention is vital.

Katie: That’s a very nice tip. I had by no means heard that about not utilizing pure sprays and DEET sprays collectively, nevertheless it makes full sense. It’s like, choose your poison and follow that one.

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And that’s actually superb how excessive…I didn’t notice tick-borne sickness was that top and the share of ticks throughout. It’s good to know, there are some tangible issues that we will do. And it additionally seems like you’ve got firsthand expertise with your individual little one with this, which supplies me hope since you talked about he, I consider, is older now. So how has restoration been? I feel, like, having hope can be such an essential factor for a mum or dad who’s going through one thing like this.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, having hope is so essential. You realize, in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” I discuss in regards to the eight pillars of psychological well being. And sure, it is a ebook designed for folks to enhance their youngsters’ psychological well being, nevertheless it’s actually about all psychological well being for everyone. And I name them the eight pillars of hope and therapeutic. And we’re so scared on this world and we don’t consider within the efficacy of pure therapies. We don’t consider that our children can get higher. And we consider, possibly not our wellness mamas, proper, since you’re right here and also you’re exploring, proper, which is superb. Like, maintain listening, maintain listening. However the extra we perceive, proper…

So for 30 years, Katie, I’ve been pushing the boundaries of psychological well being. And actually, solely been utilizing these evidence-based approaches, which, hey, are 100% pure, proper? Like, someway meals has been relegated into an alternate drugs. It’s simply so comical, it’s not even humorous. I may begin a brawl within the psychological well being group on a Fb group by recommending a sure weight-reduction plan for anxiousness or despair. So, you understand, I need folks to have hope and therapeutic. Yeah, my son is dramatically higher. At 16, he’s the very best psychological well being he’s ever had. Has that been a tough highway? It has been a tough highway as a result of as we’ve moved via this, now we have discovered extra about what works and what doesn’t with PANS and PANDAS and tick-borne sickness and different issues.

And, once more, I’ve solely been holistic. So this wasn’t even me altering my life-style. It was actually dialing down these items, which is why so many individuals search me out and work with me just about in our heart as a result of there are methods to deal with issues. And the platform…So is there a bio-individual method? Sure. However the eight pillars of psychological well being are 100% the identical for everyone. And, you understand, I put in 40 pages of single-spaced analysis citations so folks can have belief.

And the primary factor dad and mom have to do is to see their youngsters getting higher. The second they don’t wanna bounce off that fear practice and so they maintain these psychiatric meds at the back of their head or different issues…proper, as a result of we all know youngsters with PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness, the analysis 2021 says that these youngsters have poor reactions, excessive signs reactions. I knew that as a result of I may see these youngsters having paradoxical reactions. Why did they react to psychiatric meds? It’s not the basis trigger. The foundation trigger is an an infection or a toxin. So let’s tackle that part. However I at all times need folks to have hope, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness.

You completely…I’ve the privilege of serving to hundreds of individuals cut back and reverse psychological well being signs over all these years. And, you understand, you’ve gotta perceive it’s gonna take work, nevertheless it’s shifting your work which isn’t working for you, which feels such as you’re beating your head towards the wall or taking place rabbit gap after rabbit gap, and shifting it to life-style modifications and different therapies which can be really gonna create change. And that perception is the place it begins. You’ve bought to consider in it as a result of once you don’t, you let that negativity, kind of, creep in.

Katie: Yeah, and I feel the opposite actually essential level to focus on there may be that for the very best outcomes of the work you’re doing, like, psychological well being isn’t just a remedy psychological well being challenge in any respect. And the very best outcomes in any facet of well being appear to return once we use an integrative method that takes all of this stuff under consideration. And I’ve seen these sort of issues as effectively, folks pushing again within the medical group on weight-reduction plan being that essential or something past energy being essential. And I feel it’s an enormous disservice to people who find themselves struggling as a result of even when they don’t…possibly you think about that sort of method. It’s not going to hurt somebody to eat a extra nutrient-dense weight-reduction plan or to dial in dietary supplements that may be useful.

So to me, in the very best curiosity of the affected person, particularly once we’re speaking about our children, you wanna use each potential instrument that you’ve got out there and, sort of, use this multifaceted method. And it’s thrilling to know that there are tangible issues that folks can do as a result of I feel you’re proper, like, that hope and that mindset is such a giant key towards therapeutic. And our children want to have the ability to really feel that from us as a result of we’re gonna be those, sort of, emotionally driving that course of. And I feel this is applicable to all youngsters, not even simply youngsters with PANS and PANDAS. And I do know you’ve got one thing known as the CHAMP method, I consider, from what I’ve heard of you?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah.

Katie: We’re gonna speak about that as a result of I feel a few of these issues, like psychological well being is one thing we would like for all of our children. You realize, we would like them to all have a optimistic mindset and a superb basis in psychological well being. So, what are a few of these elements that you simply talked about which can be relevant throughout the board with regards to this?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, I imply, I’m about elevating profitable youngsters, whether or not your child has PANS or PANDAS or they could simply be careworn through the pandemic, have a tough time focusing and motivation, however they don’t have ADHD. So I discuss in regards to the CHAMP method, proper? And, you understand, there’s 5 elements of that. And so one, it’s calming your central nervous system. So nothing is gonna occur. No studying will occur with a stress-activated nervous system. That is adults too, folks, proper, and that is my battle cry for mothers to deal with themselves. And, you understand, it simply takes 10 minutes a day to control your nervous system. You need to use breathwork, meditation, biofeedback, neurofeedback. Choose one thing and do it, folks, since you’re going to really feel higher on a regular basis and also you then gained’t react to emphasize. So it’s tremendous, tremendous essential, proper?

After which two, you understand, hone your youngsters’ expertise, proper? Don’t simply deal with lecturers, proper? You realize, my youthful man, John Carlo, he simply is a freaking delight. I imply, he’s bought a terrific humorousness. He’s the good friend to everyone. So I hone in on these expertise as a result of he’s dyslexic. So, I’m gonna deal with his studying however I’m gonna hone in on his presents. And please begin opening your concepts to presents past the educational world since you need your youngsters profitable in all areas. It’s not gonna matter if they’ve a straight A in algebra after they get to a job, or they attempt to maintain a girlfriend, proper? They usually don’t know how you can be conscientious about, you understand, simply pondering past themselves, proper?

After which three, we already talked about this, it’s parenting to be autonomous. We wish our children to really feel assured. You realize, I like to do issues like what Katie does. I begin them with duties at house. Like, my boys knew how you can prepare dinner and use a range by the point they had been 5 years outdated. Okay? So my 10-year-old is like, “Hey, Mother, I’m gonna make a soup. You need some?” “Positive, sounds nice.” Now, I do know he likes it spicy. My mouth is gonna burn when he makes it however I’m gonna let him be autonomous. After which 4 is mastering coping expertise. We wish our children…we don’t wish to rescue our children each second, okay? We wish them to drawback resolve, work out stuff on their very own, be a bit uncomfortable, and work out how you can cope. That doesn’t imply throwing them within the deep finish. It means like, “Listed below are your sources, you understand, let’s speak about it.”

After which 5 is utilizing optimistic language expertise and visualization. So I speak about visualization on a regular basis, like, oh, so we’re gonna have a pool occasion. When your youngsters are coming over, you understand, from faculty, like, what does that seem like? Effectively, how do you wanna see it go, you understand? And I keep in mind we used to have a pool occasion each Friday, Katie. And we wish to have a superb time on the Hodges. It’s a part of the Hodge motto to have a superb time, particularly when you’ve got a child who struggles. And we really nonetheless homeschool our older son, however we homeschooled each our children at one level. And so, you may have a celebration through the week. And the children I used to be speaking about that week’s pool occasion, each my boys mentioned, “Hey, you understand what I don’t like? I see the children taking my stuff with out permission, going into my bed room and taking all my, after all, you understand, like swords and, you understand, battle gear.” And I used to be like, “Okay, effectively, the place do you see that stuff being moved to?” They usually simply begin seeing issues completely different. They don’t say, “Oh, Mother, you’re gonna do it.” They only begin seeing optimistic outcomes and feeling good about themselves. And that’s so key.

These are the underpinnings of psychological well being, folks. It’s actually creating that interior resilience. It doesn’t simply occur in a single day since you say to your child, “Effectively, that is how you work it out.” No. It’s these alternatives of failure, and success, the place they learn to handle no matter comes. Like what Katie mentioned, your youngsters are having a WWE SmackDown, and also you allow them to determine it out. Proper? It’s essential.

Katie: Yeah, I feel that’s actually essential and never problem-solving for them. I do know I hear from quite a lot of academics who say that folks are doing that much more now. And such as you mentioned, it’s as a result of the lecturers are so essential. However from firsthand expertise, I can look again, my dad and mom had been each school professors at completely different instances. And I positively got here from that tutorial background. And I discovered, like, that was an important factor and I bought the straight As and I used to be obsessive about faculty to the expense of my well being ultimately. And the irony is, like, I used to be nice at taking assessments. It’s not a beneficial life ability. Being variety to folks is a really beneficial life ability. Having the ability to clearly state your needs and wishes and likewise take heed to different folks, that’s a beneficial life ability. Having the ability to deal with your self and deal with others, very beneficial life ability.

And I feel you’re proper, we’ve misplaced some essential issues with our children in attempting to empower them to be actually good at lecturers, well-intentioned, however unintended second and third-order penalties that now now we have to handle. And hopefully, we’re. I really like that method as effectively. We’re sort of the enjoyable home as effectively. And I’ve at all times wished to be the place the place my youngsters may convey pals and the place all the chums wished to hang around. And now that I’ve bought…I’ve 6 youngsters, the oldest is nearly 15. And we’re positively that home. So on any given day, there’s possibly 20 youngsters in our home and I adore it. However it does…And I really like your method too of serving to them to visualise and serving to them to determine it out. I’ve been a giant fan of that since my youngsters had been younger is after they ask a query, as an alternative of simply answering, I’ll be like, “Oh, effectively, why do you assume?” or, “How can we discover the reply to that query?” Or in the event that they’re having an issue, I’ll ask them, “Oh, what can be some options? How may you resolve this drawback?” as an alternative of simply fixing it for them.

And I feel you’re proper, that’s essential to provide them simply that perspective to begin shifting. So even at a younger age, they don’t say, “I want somebody to repair this for me.” They begin pondering, “How can I repair this?” or, “How can I work via this?” or, “How can I make this higher?” And I really like your method in that and love your work in your ebook too. I’m gonna make it possible for it’s linked within the present notes as effectively as a result of I feel it’s actually phenomenal for all youngsters and all dad and mom. I do know that you simply even have a particular supply particular to the viewers at present. And I wanna ensure we get to speak about that earlier than we attain the top of our time. So stroll us via what you’ve created for the listeners.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve a particular factor only for the Wellness Mamas on the market as a result of I simply love that you simply’ve created a group. You realize, I used to be a holistic mother lengthy earlier than it was cool. So, I simply love that everyone’s embracing this and that Katie is main this battle cry. So, I’m all about elevating profitable youngsters. So now we have this superb no-brainer $7 supply. And you’ll go to elevating…It’s gonna be within the notes, nevertheless it’s And it’s a triple supply. And it’s a video with me the place I train you…It’s a masterclass on how you can construct resilience and grit in your youngsters, after which we’re gonna do a five-day problem about how you can increase profitable youngsters, 5 steps to creating success in life, faculty, and residential. After which a dwell Q&A on the wrap up within the subsequent week after now we have this problem and relying on when this airs.

So, I hope folks do that. This can be a no-brainer. There isn’t a child on the planet proper now throughout this pandemic that’s not impacted indirectly, form, or kind. And there’s a lot we will do proactively, proper? So wherever you’re, you’re a particular wants mother like me or you’ve got youngsters that you simply’re working this in the direction of, that is for all youngsters. And I name 20 something-year-olds youngsters too as a result of some youngsters get caught of their 20s. And, you understand, I do quite a lot of failure to launch work. So, I simply need folks to have instruments which can be accessible. That’s what I do. That’s why, you understand, I’m on TV on a regular basis. That’s why I’m speaking about all this as a result of dad and mom really feel, you understand, not sure of what to do and I wanna aid you to really feel hopeful, but additionally actually put instruments in your fingers that make parenting a bit simpler for you. And that, you understand, once you make these shifts, like, I’m positive Katie sees this, I see this, all this work that I’ve completed to even deal with my child who struggled with psychological well being attributable to PANS, he, at 16 when it ought to be more durable, is definitely the best he’s ever been.

It’s about altering what you’re doing so the funding pays off. And there’s no mum or dad…Each time I ask them, “What would you like for a child?” All of them say, “I need my youngsters to be completely satisfied and wholesome.” They by no means say, “I desire a straight-A scholar.” You make a contented and wholesome child, there aren’t any limits to their success. You solely deal with that one factor, you’re limiting their success. So, that is about making a dialogue and providing you with instruments. So I hope folks join it as a result of I’m tremendous keen about youngsters’ psychological well being and we will do higher. And that’s what all my work is about.

Katie: I adore it. I’ll make it possible for hyperlink is within the present notes. For all of you guys listening while you’re driving or exercising, these will all be at So you could find all the things we’ve talked about. I’ve been taking notes as effectively whereas we’re speaking. And I do know that Dr. Roseann, you’ve got quite a lot of sources as effectively. I’ll hyperlink to a few of these so folks can discover them and continue to learn. And my hope in that is that hopefully, the vast majority of folks listening are usually not working with a baby who has one in all these circumstances. However I feel in mild of the numbers you shared, it’s essential for us as dad and mom to remember that this exists and to be looking out for it as a result of such as you mentioned, it will probably come on very quickly. And it’s actually good for all dad and mom to have an consciousness about ticks and about tick-borne sickness, and about issues like MTHFR, and underlying dietary triggers, and youngsters’s psychological well being.

And I consider all of this stuff, like, hopefully, there’s nice instruments such as you present for folks who’re coping with the acute, but additionally I feel we’ve talked about quite a lot of issues which can be useful throughout the board for folks who possibly don’t have a baby working via one in all these issues however they may help all of our children have a greater shot at success in not simply lecturers but additionally in relationships and in life in each space. And I really like the work that you simply’re doing in on this world and all of the dad and mom and households that you simply’re reaching. One other query I like to ask for the top of interviews is that if there’s a ebook or plenty of books, apart from your individual, after all, which have had a dramatic affect in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve been doing this work my total life. I’m the daughter of Italian immigrants. And my dad and mom taught me meals was drugs. And so, the ebook that has actually had essentially the most dramatic affect on me is a ebook known as “Prescription for Dietary Therapeutic” by Phyllis Balch, B-A-L-C-H. And it’s actually an encyclopedia that talks to you about diet and dietary supplements. And I began doing integrative care earlier than even the web. So, I needed to go have a look at microfiche, folks, if you understand what that’s. You might need to google what microfiche is, proper? And this ebook was simply transformational for me. I virtually have this ebook memorized. And you should purchase it on Amazon. And each mom ought to have this ebook as a useful resource as a result of in case your child’s bought a bellyache, it’s gonna provide you with diet and dietary supplements. They usually have a homeopathy model as effectively. So, simply made a big impact in understanding that we put limits in therapeutic within the allopathic world, however within the Japanese world, and, you understand, once you actually speak about integrative care, it means combining the very best of issues. So, I simply assume it’s a ebook everyone ought to have learn and simply have on their shelf.

Katie: I adore it. I don’t know that anybody has urged that on this podcast but. However it jogs my memory, my mother had that ebook after I was a child as effectively. And I really noticed it yesterday on her bookshelf after I was having espresso together with her within the morning. And yeah, there’s a lot data in it. And mockingly, you’ll assume you’d be capable to discover all that data on-line. However yeah, it’s so laborious to dig via. And as Google has modified the outcomes to prioritize the extra mainstream medical aspect, it’s more durable and more durable to seek out these issues. So, that’s a terrific concept to have that useful resource available as a result of when you’ve got a baby who has an earache or who has a stomachache, you need the solutions now. In order that’s such a superb suggestion.

Dr. Roseann: And it led me to construct, kind of, a useful resource, Katie, of, like, what are the stuff you wanna have available? Like, I really like getting a mother’s homeopathy package. After I go to a child bathe, to begin with, I’m Italian, so you understand you’re gonna get a superb present, however I convey homeopathy. I convey issues that, you understand, are secure for mothers and infants in order that they’ll begin their wellness mama journey and notice that, you understand, you don’t need to have, you understand, a chemical in case your child is constipated or no matter it’s. So, it’s a terrific useful resource.

Katie: Excellent. I’ll ensure folks can discover that as effectively. Will probably be within the present notes. Any parting recommendation for all of the dad and mom listening earlier than we wrap up?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, you understand, no one ever regrets getting assist. They solely remorse after they don’t. And in case your child is struggling within the tiniest manner, you understand, whether or not you wanna use “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” because the useful resource and precise ideas otherwise you wanna go to a licensed therapist, go. You realize, it’s solely gonna assist convey lifelong well being. And if we don’t have our psychological well being, we don’t have something. And it doesn’t actually matter all of the bodily issues that you’ve got, it’s gotta begin…all of it begins from inside. And that’s what we have to deal with with our children is that mind-body connection, the bodily aspect, all these stunning, holistic issues, nice meals that you simply’re giving your youngsters, stunning houses, training, however you’ve gotta construct that inner resilience. And each mum or dad has the ability to do it.

Katie: And we’ve talked principally about youngsters’ well being and psychological well being at present. However I feel that’s one other essential level as we wrap up is, in some ways, we additionally need to be the instance of this. And I do know many mothers who’ve some model of a well being drawback that additionally bleeds over into psychological well being. And I feel it’s a really highly effective factor once we get the prospect to be the instance of that as a result of then our children additionally get to be taught by watching us work via a battle and so they get to see the resilience firsthand. So, I feel that’s such an essential level and an ideal place to wrap up. And such as you mentioned, I feel there may very well be complete different episodes associated simply to the tick-borne sickness aspect, and to prevention, and to a complete lot of different points of kids’s psychological well being. However we’ll wrap up right here for at present. And for those who guys have any follow-up questions for Dr. Roseann, please go away these on Instagram or within the feedback in order that if we will do a spherical 2 in the future, we will ensure we tackle all of these issues. However I understand how busy you’re as a mother and a practitioner, and I’m actually grateful for you for being right here at present and for sharing.

Dr. Roseann: Effectively, thanks a lot for supporting youngsters and household psychological well being as a result of like I mentioned, it’s simply so essential and extra essential than ever proper now. And I need folks to really feel like they’ll deal with themselves. And perceive, simply as you mentioned, self-care for mama is simply as essential because the love that we give our children and you’ll lead and present your youngsters on such a deep degree that you simply love your self sufficient to deal with your self however you’ll additionally present them what you are able to do for your self by demonstrating that, so it’s so essential. Such a terrific dialog. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: Oh, thanks. And thanks as at all times to all of you guys for listening, and for sharing your Most worthy sources, your time, and your vitality with us at present. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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