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Katie: Howdy and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com, and I believe you’re actually going to take pleasure in right this moment’s visitor as we delve into the psychological and the emotional facet of well being. I’m right here with Emmy Award profitable Rhonda Britten, who’s a repeat Oprah visitor and has labored with 1000’s of individuals in her program of what she calls “Fearless Dwelling.” She has probably the most wonderful tales I’ve heard, each in her personal private transformation and what she went by means of in her life, and now in what she does to assist, like I stated, 1000’s and 1000’s of individuals. And on this episode, we go deep on how one can transfer by means of worry in your private life, and likewise when it’s widespread and societal like it’s proper now for many individuals. And she or he offers actually sensible ideas and beginning factors for how one can shift your internal voice and your internal fears, and use them to your benefit in life quite than combating them. So with out additional ado, let’s be taught from Rhonda.

Rhonda, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Rhonda: I’m so excited to be right here speaking about my very favourite topic, worry.

Katie: Effectively, I believe it’s a really well timed topic proper now. There’s plenty of uncertainty nonetheless going round proper now and I believe there couldn’t be a extra pertinent time to speak about this and possibly, I’m excited to listen to from you and to get ideas from you and I hope that it’ll assist many individuals listening as nicely. However as background, I’d love to listen to a little bit little bit of your story and the way you turned this voice of fearless residing and serving to so many 1000’s of individuals.

Rhonda: Thanks. Effectively, you understand, it wasn’t… I believe most of us who at the moment are devoted to supporting individuals, to serving to individuals, to guiding individuals, to serving to them transfer by means of no matter they’re shifting by means of, proper, and me particularly fearless residing/worry is as a result of I lived in worry most of my life, however I didn’t realize it. And I believe that’s an actual key level, Katie. I believe most individuals don’t stroll round saying, “I’m afraid,” or “I’m scared.” Perhaps proper now they’re really admitting it greater than regular. However most of us don’t stroll round saying, “I’m afraid,” or “I’m scared.” And I didn’t both.

And you understand, I did, you understand, plenty of completely different, you understand, learn books, took workshops, did at a complete bunch of issues to alter my life, however they actually didn’t get me over the sensation that there’s one thing improper with me. And, you understand, you requested the query like, how did it actually all begin? Effectively, you understand, if I actually look again on the place did this start, it was after I was 14 years previous. And, you understand, my favourite e book on the time was, ”Why am I Afraid to Let you know who I’m,” which I discover utterly ironic that now I train individuals not be afraid to be who they’re, proper?

Nevertheless it was on Father’s Day. My mother and father had been not too long ago separating and I, you understand, my father was coming over to take us to brunch, which, you understand, there’s three children, two adults, 5 individuals. We didn’t actually exit to dinner or lunch or brunch ever. So this was an enormous particular occasion. And my father is available in, “Come on, come on.” My sisters are within the toilet combating it out. I’ve two sisters. We lived in about an 850-square-foot home. And my mother and I begin strolling out with my dad, my sisters nonetheless within the toilet combating it out, and my dad appears to be like at me and says, ”I’ve acquired to get my coat from the automotive.” And so he opens his trunk to seize his coat. However as a substitute of grabbing his coat, he grabbed a gun and he began screaming at my mom, ”You made me do that. You made me do that.” And I begin screaming, ”What are you doing, dad? What are you doing?” And he shoots my mom and I’m frozen, proper? I don’t know what to do. I’m frozen. And my father cocks the gun and factors it at me. And I completely imagine I’m subsequent. And my father appears to be like at me. I take a look at him, and like, we’re like actually eyeball to eyeball and you understand, he blinks, I blink, and I’m simply ready. I’m simply ready for the bullet.

And in my mom’s literal final breath, she sees that gun in my face and screams, ”No, cease.” And my father realizing my mom’s nonetheless alive, takes that bullet meant for me and shoots my mom a second time. And that second bullet goes by means of my mom’s stomach, out her again and lands within the automotive horn. And so for the subsequent 20 minutes, all I heard was BEEEEP. After which my father cocks the gun once more and he drops to his knees, places the gun to his head and fires.

So in two minutes, I used to be the only real witness of watching my father homicide my mom and commit suicide in entrance of me. And I don’t know the way different individuals would reply, however principally, how I responded was…I imply, I didn’t do something to cease my father from killing my mom. You already know, I blamed myself. I didn’t seize the gun. I did nothing heroic. I didn’t kick him within the knees. I didn’t bounce in entrance of my mom. I did no superhero stuff. I simply stood there frozen saying, “Cease, cease,” proper? And in that second, I principally break up in two, Katie. You already know, half of me was, you understand, “I’m high-quality, I’m high-quality. I’m a straight-A scholar. I’ll nonetheless be a straight-A scholar and I’ll faux all of this didn’t occur.” After which the opposite a part of me simply had a lot guilt and disgrace.

And, you understand, whenever you witness your father murdering your mom, you don’t get to be pleased ever once more. Like I simply actually resigned myself that I don’t ever get to be pleased. And so for the subsequent 20 years, I attempted to kill myself 3 times. I turned an alcoholic. I acquired three DUIs. And you understand, it was that third suicide try that I spotted I’m not superb at killing myself and I’ve gotta work out one other method. And I keep in mind going again to my little tiny studio condominium after that third suicide try, realizing, “Effectively, if I’m not gonna die, I higher work out reside.”

And, you understand, throughout these 20 years of alcoholism and nightmares and, you understand, and so on., and so on., and suicide makes an attempt, I did learn books and I did go to workshops and I did go to remedy. I did all the pieces one would suppose they need to do. However like I shared earlier, there was this overwhelming feeling that there was nonetheless one thing actually essentially improper with me.

And so after I went to that little studio condominium after my third suicide try, I keep in mind saying to myself, “Like, if I’m not dying, I’ve gotta work out reside and I’ve gotta determine this out.” And so I began making up workouts for myself. And I simply wanna say this, Katie, I used to be not pleased with myself for doing this. I believed I used to be so screwed up that I needed to make stuff up for myself. So I used to be actually ashamed that I had to do that. And the excellent news, although, these workouts began to work for me, began to shift my mindset, began to shift the best way I noticed the world, began to heal me, began to maneuver me into the path of what’s now known as Fearless Dwelling.

So what I train right this moment is simply an extension, and naturally, an enlargement, as a result of now I’ve been doing it for 25 years, of what I began that second when needed to resolve, you understand, “Rhonda, you’ll be able to’t preserve going this manner. You need to decide and you must resolve to reside. You need to resolve to thrive. You need to resolve to change into the particular person you had been born to be.” And that was the, you understand, the germination, the primary seed that began like…you understand, once more, it took many, a few years to, you understand, provide this to the general public and even suppose I may do it. I imply, I used to be…it took me a few years earlier than…you understand, from the second I began creating the workouts to truly considering that they might assist anybody however me.

However that was the second, you understand. I actually do suppose that… I do actually do suppose that one way or the other that is, you understand, a life’s, you understand, dedication by me and my mother and father to maneuver the world to see worry in another way by means of our expertise after which by means of my being alive and attempting to determine it out for myself and me admitting that I’m afraid. As a result of once more, for many of my life, even after that occurred, I by no means admitted I used to be afraid. So after I began understanding how worry labored, all the pieces modified for me, Katie. Every thing modified. And that was the start of a brand new life, a starting of having the ability to be pleased, a starting of, you understand, peace of thoughts, a starting of, you understand, vanity and self-worth and self-confidence and self-acceptance and all the pieces that I’d at all times yearned for.

Katie: Wow. I do know each time I hear your story, it simply offers me goosebumps and it’s so unimaginable to listen to what you’ve overcome and what you confronted, which is a lot greater than many individuals suppose they’ll ever need to face. And I believe that’s so inspiring, on the one hand. Then I believe one other response you possibly get, I’m curious when you do, however is individuals who haven’t needed to undergo one thing as tough as that saying, you understand, “I’m not strolling round with that degree of getting gone by means of one thing or that degree of worry. So do I really want to truly tackle this? Like do I want fearless residing if I haven’t needed to face one thing that horrific?”

Rhonda: Yeah, I believe that’s an excellent query, Katie. And you understand, my motto is, you understand, “Concern is worry is worry,” and each single particular person alive has worry whether or not they realize it or not. And so they do as a result of it’s a part of our neurobiology. So, whether or not it’s, you understand, worry of rejection, worry of failure. As a result of, you understand, we’re speaking about when my father took that gun out, you understand, that’s known as worry of survival, worry of residing. Like, you understand, I’m gonna die, proper? So, most of us don’t perceive the distinction between a bodily worry and an emotional worry. And we actually don’t type of give credence to emotional fears most of us. However bodily fears of, you understand, being shot or, you understand, rape or one thing horrific, you understand, more often than not, for most individuals, knock on wooden, they don’t need to expertise that each day.

Their bodily worry shouldn’t be what they’re experiencing. However what they’re experiencing most days is an emotional worry. Like, “Do I begin my very own enterprise?” Effectively, that call in all probability is being determined by worry greater than we’d wish to admit and greater than we’re in all probability conscious of as a result of it appears like a rational, sensible, like, “Effectively, no. It’s not a superb time to try this,” you understand, or whether or not we transfer or whether or not we fall in love or whether or not we go away or any of the selections that we now have to make more often than not, until we’re actually clear, actually clear and perceive how worry works, worry is making too lots of our selections for us, once more, beneath the guise of rationale or sensible or, “It’s one of the best factor to do,” or once more, “That is one of the best factor my mom would inform me to do,” and so on., and so on.

So, you understand, I pray that no person has to expertise what I do and I pray that no person has to expertise horrific circumstances. However what I do know from the folks that I’ve labored with, whether or not it’s a minister, whether or not it’s a stay-at-home mother, whether or not it’s a CEO, doesn’t matter, everyone has, whether or not they’re awake to it or not, worry as a result of once more, it’s a part of our neurobiology. It’s a part of the best way our mind works. It’s a part of the best way our physique works. So until you perceive it, most individuals get confused by it they usually really imagine the alerts of worry quite than imagine their very own true nature, you understand, observe their very own path.

Katie: Wow. Yeah. I believe that’s such an attractive description. And I do know one other objection you in all probability hear comparatively typically and definitely that I held on to and hid behind for lots of variety of years is the concept some worry is nice and that, you understand, worry can preserve us secure. I even hear individuals train their children that of like, you understand, “You wanna be afraid of strangers and snakes and no matter it might be as a result of that retains you secure.” And so I’m curious, what do you say to individuals who attempt to argue, you understand, why can we wanna eliminate fears, don’t we wanna maintain on to them?

Rhonda: Effectively to start with, you’ll be able to’t eliminate worry. In order that’s unimaginable. It’s a part of our neurobiology. So there’s no eliminating worry. However there may be transcending worry. There’s befriending worry. There’s mastering worry. However there’s no eliminating it. So if anybody ever says to you, “Oh, eliminate this worry for good,” it’s like they’d have to provide you a lobotomy, proper? Like that’s not doable, proper? So it’s about working by means of your worry. Now, whenever you hear mother and father and, you understand, “Watch as you cross the road,” and, you understand, “Don’t eat that, that’s actually unhealthy for you,” or “You could have an allergy,” or you understand any of these issues, that’s really a bodily survival worry.

And if I’m in an elevator and I’m feeling freaked out or get an intuitive hit that I ought to get out, yeah, get out. Proper? And yeah, do I wanna go bungee leaping? Not a lot, proper? So there’s an enormous distinction between bodily fears, you understand, what our mother and father often inform us, proper? Like, you understand, be careful for visitors. Watch out, proper? They wanna preserve us secure. They wanna preserve us alive. However the place the issue is available in is as a result of the mind doesn’t know the distinction between an emotional worry and a bodily worry, those self same fears are type of handed down emotionally as nicely. In order that worry of strolling throughout the road turns into worry of taking dangers, a worry of falling in love, a worry of connecting, a worry of telling the reality, a worry of sharing a secret, a worry of being intimate, a worry of beginning my very own enterprise, a worry of shifting, proper?

So these bodily fears that we’re taught once more, out of the goodness of our mother and father’ coronary heart and our group’s coronary heart, and naturally we need to keep bodily secure. However once more, what it does is it really interprets into an emotional worry. And so these emotional fears, that worry of rejection, that worry of loss, that worry of intimacy, that worry of success, that worry of failure, that worry of being insufficient, that worry of trying silly, the worry of fearing being lazy, the worry of, you understand, being a loser, proper? I may go on and on. These fears subtly, you understand, quietly, insidiously, affect our considering. And once more, that is all from our neurobiology, from our mind. It’s not one thing that, you understand, I made up in the course of the evening and simply, you understand, it’s not scientific-base. It’s like, no, no, no, no. That is our neurobiology and our neurobiology, the mind, doesn’t know the distinction between a bodily worry and an emotional worry. The mind doesn’t know the distinction between one thing you make up versus what’s actual. So that you stroll right into a networking assembly otherwise you go to a celebration and also you say, “These aren’t my individuals,” you I guess manufactured that, you understand, and also you name it instinct. However you manufactured that due to your neurobiology of worry.

So the mind doesn’t know the distinction between bodily and emotional, doesn’t know the distinction between actual and imagined. What they’re now discovering is that worry, many occasions, is handed down by means of our DNA. So among the issues that you’re afraid of really got here out of your nice, nice grandmother, proper? And the opposite factor we find out about worry is that there’s no eliminating it, proper? There’s no eliminating it. So that you wanna learn to work with it. You wanna perceive its objective so that you just not get stopped by it, in order that you know the way worry sounds versus freedom sounds. You already know the distinction between worry and love. You already know the distinction between, you understand, worry of, you understand, being, you understand, your genuine self versus actually residing within the danger of being your genuine self.

Like, you understand the distinction so you’ll be able to stroll in a life that actually fits you, that actually is your life to reside and never let worry resolve for you as a result of worry is delicate, insidious. It is aware of all the pieces you understand. It’s as sensible as you’re, educated as you’re, non secular as you’re, as educated as you’re. So it makes use of all the pieces that you understand towards you. Get extra non secular, it will get extra non secular. So once more, there’s an enormous distinction between individuals considering that worry is only a bodily worry when actually, the day-to-day residing that we undergo, our emotional fears are literally deciding an excessive amount of of our life, not our bodily fears.

Katie: So then if we are able to’t eliminate worry, which makes whole sense, you talked about we now have to be taught to work with it or to make it good for us. So stroll us by means of what are the primary steps of that? As a result of that looks like an amazing course of.

Rhonda: Yeah, nicely it’s simply simpler than you suppose as a result of, in fact, that’s what I’ve been doing for 25 years and I do know that I wanted a straightforward course of, proper? Like, I couldn’t have something difficult, proper? Like, I wanted ABC. So as to reside it day by day, I want ABC. And so I created one thing known as the Wheel of Concern and the Wheel of Freedom. And the Wheel of Concern and Wheel of Freedom have 4 elements every. However I wanna deal with a few elements simply to start out getting individuals on the pathway.

So the Wheel of Concern has one thing known as Concern Responses. Okay. So as an example, you understand, all of us type of know what we expect our issues are, proper? Like most of us can like, identify our issues. You already know, procrastination, perfectionism, I get anxious, overwhelmed, you understand. So we type of know like, “Oh, I examine. I compete. You already know, I really feel responsible. I get apprehensive.” Like, we all know. “You already know, I people-please. You already know, I give an excessive amount of. I’m simply anyone who offers.” So all of us in all probability know among the ways in which worry really is influencing us proper now. And what we do, Katie, is we name them our issues, or we name them our character flaws, or we are saying that they’re our character defects, or we are saying that’s what we’re unhealthy about, or that’s our drawback, you understand, beating ourselves up, and so on., making excuses, complaining, and so on.

So the very first thing that I need to give individuals reduction from is these are simply worry responses. So your procrastination, your perfectionism, you’re overwhelmed, you’re complaining, you’re feeling responsible, you’re apprehensive, evaluating, once more, beating your self up. All of these issues are the best way that our neurobiology has created a, you understand, type of a strategy to preserve ourselves secure, from an emotional standpoint. And the best way that it’s tricked us is that we expect these are our issues, proper? We predict procrastination is our drawback. And in reality, procrastination is only a symptom, a worry response to a deeper worry.

So when you can actually begin seeing like, “Oh, you imply my overeating isn’t as a result of I’m lazy?” No, it’s not since you’re lazy. No, it’s really you’re over-eating as a result of there’s a worry driving that overeating. “Oh, you imply procrastination shouldn’t be that I’m lazy?” No, it’s not. Procrastination isn’t since you’re lazy. Procrastination, once more, is a worry response to a deeper, deeper worry.

So we wouldn’t complain if we didn’t have a worry. We wouldn’t get overwhelmed if we didn’t have a worry. We wouldn’t really feel responsible if we didn’t have a worry. We wouldn’t fear if we didn’t have a worry. So all of the issues that we expect are our issues, you understand, three issues, 10 issues, 20 issues, are literally a symptom of 1 factor and that’s what I name the core worry, that set off that actually ignites all of these worry responses. So one of many first issues, Katie, individuals can do is definitely write down all of the methods they journey themselves up, all of the methods they trick themselves, all the best way the issues that they suppose they’ve. So, you understand, spend a while and simply go, “Okay, yeah, I procrastinate. Yup. Yup. I get overwhelmed. Yup. Yup. I get anxious. Yep. I’m a perfectionist. Yep. I attempt. I’m a management freak. Yep.” And simply write them down.

Begin proudly owning that, “Okay, these are the ways in which I reply after I’m in worry.” And what I would like everybody to listen to proper now’s that, you aren’t your wheel of worry. You aren’t your wheel of worry. You aren’t together with your wheel worry. And all of these worry responses had been honed and created, once more, by means of our DNA, but additionally, you understand, from our household, from our life expertise, from, you understand, who we frolicked with. And the wheel of worry was fashioned by the point you had been 5. So, you understand, you’re not silly, lazy, ignorant, insufficient, and so on, or nugatory. You already know, you’re simply having a worry that you just don’t know what to do with. So that you’ve created a strategy to handle it by means of procrastination, overwhelm, guilt, disgrace, and so on., and so on.

So the very first thing to do, Katie, is simply to start out writing down among the issues that you just do and begin actually noticing and figuring out that these aren’t character flaws, there’s nothing improper with you. And if I may say one factor to everyone, it’s like there’s nothing improper with you. There’s nothing improper with you. There’s nothing improper with you. It’s simply worry. So I believe that’s one of many best issues to start out doing is simply beginning to discover them. After which, in fact, you understand, I work with purchasers and, in fact, in my e book and workshops, and so on., I assist individuals determine that core worry that they’ve that actually drives all these behaviors.

And the primary factor that folks expertise after they perceive what their core worry is, as a result of your core worry might be not worry of failure. It’s in all probability not worry of success, in all probability not worry of rejection. These are all actually in all probability worry responses. However whenever you determine that core worry, what I hear from individuals over and over is my life is smart. I perceive why I’ve accomplished all the pieces I’ve accomplished and a degree of peace of thoughts is available in as a result of now you understand, it’s not you. You’re not a foul particular person. You’re not a silly particular person. You’re not a lazy particular person. You’re not an…you understand, there’s not one thing improper with you. It’s really an individualized worry that was created by the point you had been 5. And so we’re simply performing it out on the age of 30, 40, 50 as a result of it’s labored on some degree. It’s stored us secure on some degree. And so, you understand, the worry needs to do one factor and one factor solely and it simply needs to maintain us secure. And we’ve purchased into that as a result of we don’t know any distinction, proper?

So once more, the very first thing that I’d invite individuals to do is simply begin recognizing the issues that they do and begin labeling them completely different. As an alternative of, “These are my issues,” go, “These are my worry responses. That is how I reply after I’m afraid. These aren’t character flaws. I’m not unhealthy as a result of I do these items. These are simply issues that I do routinely as a result of that’s how I’ve been skilled to answer worry. However there’s a completely different method.”

Katie: That makes a lot sense. And I skilled that myself over the past couple of years working by means of some previous experiences. And there was this type of profound second of realizing that a few of these issues that I used to be so offended with myself over and that I wasn’t getting previous, realizing that they had protected me in plenty of methods at sure occasions and helped me even to change into who I’m now and that they had been…and like principally shifting from a degree of, like, frustration with myself and worry about these items, to a spot of gratitude that my thoughts and my physique knew what to do to guard me after which having the ability to say, “However I don’t want you to maintain me secure on this method anymore.”

And so I’m curious what’s the subsequent step? Like, as soon as we’re capable of determine that, I’d guess there’s an incredible quantity of self-compassion that comes simply from having the ability to understand this isn’t a deficiency. I’m not, you understand, not good due to this.” However what’s the subsequent step of then making that our pal and shifting ahead?

Rhonda: Effectively, there’s one thing known as the Wheel of Concern like I discussed, after which the Wheel of Freedom. And what I assist individuals do is, once more, like I stated, determine their core worry, however extra importantly, I assist them determine their pathway out. You already know, we hear loads about psychological fashions and filtering programs. And neuroscience says now that the one strategy to really change your life on a core degree is to alter the way you filter the world. Actually, change the glasses you put on. Actually, begin seeing the world in another way. And that’s what the Wheel of Concern and Wheel of Freedom do. You progress from the Wheel of Concern filter to the Wheel of Freedom filter.

Now, I do wanna give a caveat right here, Katie, that, you understand, I do know that folks in all probability are strolling round 80% fearless, proper? Some persons are 20% fearless, however there’s some areas of our life the place we’re already doing this naturally. You already know, we’re fearless naturally, however there’s different areas of life that worry does have its method with us. So we could be fearless in profession, however fearful in relationships, and all of our nervousness comes up, all of our fear comes up. Or it could be completely different and reverse. Like, “Oh, my God, my relationships are superior. I’m actually capable of talk and intimate, but it surely’s my profession the place I get all caught up in cash and price and oh, you understand, creating wealth and oh, what do I do?”

And a few of us are nice in these areas and have tough time with self-care and play and connection, proper? So I’m not implying that everyone is afraid in every single place, however I would like you to, to start with, to essentially identify the realm that you just do have some worry and that you just do doubt your self, that you just do put your self down, that you just do examine your self to others. I believe that’s actually essential to start out giving your self credit score for the issues that you have already got ”dealt with,” and areas that you just’re like, “Okay, worry responses are completely operating the present,” proper?

So I assist individuals discover what’s known as their important nature of the place that they will anchor again into their true nature. So I assist individuals shift their filtering system from the Wheel of Concern to the Wheel of Freedom. Now, you introduced up a phrase that known as gratitude. And I like that you just introduced that up, Katie, as a result of I additionally wanna not solely discuss gratitude for a minute, however I wanna discuss one thing known as acknowledgments. And these are two workouts that people can do instantly that may begin shifting their opinions of themselves and the opinions of the world. So, you understand, Katie, you introduced up gratitude and I at all times say folks that have a tough time with gratitude, blame the world.

So if in case you have a tough time with gratitude and you’ve got a tough time saying like, “I’m grateful for,” then you definitely in all probability are blaming the world. Now, acknowledgments, on the planet of Fearless Dwelling, which I’ll clarify do one, is if in case you have a tough time acknowledging your self, then you definitely blame your self, proper? In order that’s the best way worry has its method with you is you blame your self. So on the planet of Fearless Dwelling, Katie gratitude, you write out, “Right this moment I’m grateful for…” and also you get actually particular. And, you understand, so that you don’t write “Right this moment, I’m grateful for the blue sky.” You write, “Right this moment, I’m grateful for the best way the daisies, you understand, are popping up by means of the, you understand, damaged sidewalk,” proper? Such as you’re actually particular as a result of when you’re particular together with your gratitudes and acknowledgments, it creates a visceral expertise.

Effectively, what’s a visceral expertise? It means it’s alive in your physique and it really begins shifting you routinely of the way you see the world. It shifts your filtering system. So we don’t need this to be an mental train. We wish this to be a visceral one. And the way do you get visceral? Being particular, additionally not saying “not”. So like as a substitute of claiming, “You already know, I’m actually…” or I’ll use acknowledgment, “I acknowledge myself for not complaining,” uh-uh. We wanna speak in acknowledgments about what we’re doing as a substitute of what we’re not doing. So, “I acknowledged myself for not complaining,” uh-uh. That’s what you’re not doing. What are you doing as a substitute of complaining? Oh, “I acknowledge myself for giving myself a break when it got here to lacking a deadline at work,” proper? Like, acknowledging your self.

So, “Right this moment, I’m grateful for…” write it out 5 occasions a day. Be as particular as you could be. No nots, and acknowledgments are, “Right this moment, I acknowledge myself, acknowledge myself for any shift, any consciousness, any motion ahead, something in any respect.” So I wanna say a caveat right here, Katie, that I don’t care how nicely anyone does one thing, proper? I may give a crap about how nicely you do it and I may give a crap about when you end it or not. Acknowledgments are solely about motion ahead irrespective of how minute, irrespective of how small, irrespective of how tough it was. It doesn’t matter about any of these. It’s simply actually acknowledging your self.

And acknowledging that motion ahead, really, is the primary confidence builder, primary strategy to construct your confidence in a single day is simply beginning to acknowledge your self. As a result of, Katie, what I’ve acknowledged is that most individuals acknowledged themselves for like one second after which they level out like, “Effectively, if I’d’ve began sooner,” or “Effectively, I may have accomplished it higher,” or “Effectively…” they usually actually take away their motion ahead by now evaluating it and judging it, the way it may have been if they might have solely accomplished A, B and C.

Now, it doesn’t imply which you could’t have discernment and get higher, however you first need to acknowledge the place you’ve come from. So gratitudes and acknowledgments are crucial instruments to make use of to start out shifting your worry responses into what we name the Wheel of Freedom, begin shifting you ahead from worry to freedom. So do your gratitudes concerning the world. Gratitudes are outdoors of your self. They’re concerning the world on the market, and acknowledgments are all about you, about the way you’re residing on this world and the way you’re shifting ahead. When you do 5 gratitudes and 5 acknowledgments right this moment, I’m gonna let you know proper now that inside 24 hours, 36 hours, you’re gonna begin seeing a unique world and experiencing a unique world.

So I’m not gonna let you know what to not do. I’m not gonna say, “Stop complaining,” that, for many of us, is tough to do, proper? As an alternative, we’re gonna discuss what we’re going to do as a substitute of complaining, what we’re gonna do as a substitute of beating ourselves up, what we’re gonna do as a substitute. And we’re gonna begin shifting in direction of who we need to be, what’s our true nature, the place we wanna go, quite than specializing in what we should always cease doing. So we wanna begin shifting that, you understand, that viewpoint of self-help, private improvement, spirituality, and so on., from stopping to beginning, to the place can we wanna go versus, you understand, don’t deal with what you need to cease, as a substitute deal with changing. Does that make sense?

Katie: It does. I believe that’s in all probability such a strong and paradigm shift, you understand, that we…and when you can also make that, I can solely think about how that may spill over into each different space of life. And I’m guessing there’s a component right here. It makes me consider… I do know patterns I can say I’ve fallen into previously and that I’ve seen in different individuals, which is when individuals are inclined to fall into patterns of complaining or making excuses, which you touched on. So I’m curious each if we are able to acknowledge in ourselves that that’s a factor that we do, how we are able to work by means of that, or if that’s one thing that these near us do. Is there something we are able to do each to assist our personal mindset or to assist them in these situations?

Rhonda: Effectively, complaining, you understand, one of many nice issues is, you understand, complaining we do for a lot of causes and what I’d love individuals to do is complain, flip complaining into venting. And, you understand, most of us have heard the phrase venting, however essentially, we’re really complaining, we’re not venting. So let me let you know the distinction between complaining and venting. After which I’ll offer you a little bit language for these individuals in your life which are large complainers and also you not wanna take part, what do you say to them? Proper? So complaining is, “I’m dedicated to holding the issue alive.” Like I’m complaining, I’m attempting to get you to purchase in that there’s an issue and I need to deal with the issue.

So I wanna preserve speaking about the issue. I wanna preserve speaking about my husband being this manner or my boss being that method, or my coworker being this manner, or my sister being this manner. And I wanna complain about this and complain about that. And I would like you to purchase in. I would like you to purchase in as a result of that’s how we really feel, you understand, that we’re proper. That’s how we really feel beloved, proper? That’s how we really feel understood. Which brings me to a facet word, Katie, is that most individuals wanna be understood. And what I train my purchasers, what I train my college students, is most of us need to be understood, however we don’t actually…we’re probably not in search of understanding. What we’re actually in search of is settlement.

So one of many ways in which complaining works for us, is we’re actually in search of settlement. We’re not trying to be understood. We don’t need…as a result of we expect, “Effectively, when you actually understood me, you’d agree with me.” Nevertheless it’s like that, you understand, the worry needs us to get settlement in order that we’re secure as a result of if we don’t agree, then possibly I’m not secure, proper? So simply FYI, you understand, complaining is dedicated to the issue. So now what’s venting? Venting is dedicated to the answer, i.e., “I’ve plenty of anger proper now. I’m actually annoyed proper now. I’m feeling actually, you understand, POed proper now I’m actually upset about one thing.”

Effectively, we wanna transfer that vitality as a result of we’re principally vitality beings. That’s what we’re. That’s what, you understand, neuroscience now tells us, that our entire being, our entire neurobiology and our entire biology is definitely to maintain our vitality in place, to maintain us having vitality, proper? And we now have to observe our vitality. And making selections takes vitality. That’s why we simply make the identical selections, despite the fact that we expect we’re making completely different ones, however they’re type of the identical. They’re nonetheless out of worry as a result of it simply saves vitality.

So venting really says, “You already know what? I’m a little bit upset proper now and I want to maneuver this vitality by means of me. So I’m gonna honor this sense of upset, of anger, of no matter, by talking it out loud to anyone I belief or, you understand, yelling within the clouds or, once more, nonetheless you wanna transfer it by means of you. However I’m additionally dedicated to shifting by means of it and to discover a answer.” So venting is, “I do know I’m awake to being upset. I do know I want to maneuver it by means of me. So I’m gonna name up a superb pal and say, “Hey, by the best way, can I simply… I’m actually upset about one thing. Will you pay attention? Don’t, you understand, give me recommendation. Don’t inform me what to do. Don’t inform me I’m proper. You already know, simply pay attention as a result of I want to maneuver by means of this so I can suppose clearly in order that I now can provide you with an answer.”

So most of us aren’t venting to one another. We’re complaining to one another and getting…attempting to get buy-in to validate our ideas, to validate that life isn’t honest, to validate that we’re victims, that it’s not our fault, proper? However as a substitute, we wanna take that feeling and transfer it by means of us by honoring it, by saying it, writing it, talking it, you understand, going, you understand, to the river and throwing issues in it, no matter we wanna do to let it transfer by means of us. However figuring out that we’re dedicated to maneuver by means of it in order that we could be clear to make a unique determination. We all know this isn’t actual. The worry isn’t actual, per se. The anger isn’t actual. Though it feels actual, we go, “I do know I’m offended proper now, however I do know in the end, I’m not dedicated to holding my anger alive. I’m dedicated to shifting by means of my anger.”

And so then we permit that to maneuver by means of. After which we are able to have a venting accomplice. Once more, you’ll be able to name up a pal, after which whenever you vent, it’s like you’ll be able to breathe and go, “Okay, whew, I acquired that. I acquired by means of that. I might need to do it a couple of occasions, however I moved by means of it. And now I can suppose clearly to make a unique determination that’s based mostly on my values, based mostly on my wheel of freedom, based mostly on who I actually need to be, based mostly on the selections that actually assist me, that actually are who I actually am at my core.” As an alternative of being offended and doing issues that we’re not pleased with after we do them, proper? That we’re simply so offended that we lash out, that we, you understand, do issues that had been similar to, “God, I want I didn’t do this afterwards,” proper?

In order that’s actually essential to take that complaining and turning it into venting. So we honor our emotions, we honor our emotions, however we act on our commitments. So we honor our emotions, however we act on our commitments. In order that’s the factor about complaining. Transfer it to venting. And in addition, in fact, then we use gratitude after that. So we go from complaining, transfer it into venting, after which transfer into gratitude.

Excuses are a little bit bit tougher, Katie, than complaining as a result of excuses really feel actually actual, proper? Like I can use, “Effectively, my father killed my mom as an excuse,” proper? Like, “Wow, that’s why I turned an alcoholic.” And everyone goes, “Effectively, in fact, you’d,” proper? So excuses…complaining, we are able to type of name one another out. However excuses are actually based mostly on a seed of fact that we then take into actuality and truly make actual much more, proper? So excuses are a little bit bit tougher to suss out as a result of we now have proof for these excuses that we ought to be cautious, that we should always…this could…that is actual, proper? So I believe complaining, once more, is less complicated to determine and excuses once more, have that seed of fact that we now have a tough time calling ourselves out for.

So I imply that’s once we get to do the true truthful, genuine work, concerning the distinction between, “Okay, wait a minute, I’m making an excuse. And do I would like that to proceed to be my actuality?” Like asking ourselves, “Okay, so sure, my father killed my mom and killed himself. Obtained it. So did that trigger plenty of ache? Sure. Did that trigger self-doubt? Sure. Self-Hatred, all these… Sure it did. However do I need to preserve believing that?” You really need to resolve, Katie, do you need to preserve believing that or do you need to resolve one thing completely different? Do you need to resolve that that is, such as you stated a minute in the past about, “Okay, this can be a lesson. this can be a blessing. It is a gratitude. Like, oh my God, this occurred and now I get to do that with it.”

So I believe excuses are extra delicate they usually’re extra, you understand, tough to type of name out. However I believe that if we type of embrace that there are occasions in our lives, all of our lives, that we’re victims of our excuses, the extra light we could be with ourselves, the extra compassion we may give. And the greater than we are able to name ourselves out and say, “You already know what? This excuse not serves me. I’m gonna shift it. I’m gonna transfer into acknowledgment. I’m gonna transfer into completely different… I’m gonna see this in another way. I’m gonna transfer previous this.”

Katie: I like that.

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And to return to one thing you’ve talked about a few occasions, you’ve talked about type of that core worry and the way they fashioned so early. And I do know for me, a type of definitely was this sense of like, I’m not adequate. And after I began engaged on that and attempting to love undergo all these steps and to essentially face that, I used to be confronted with a couple of issues. However one I apprehensive that I used to be partially capable of be so pushed and to be so productive due to that and I had seen it manifest in my life. So I apprehensive that if that went away, I would really like lose my edge or I’d lose my potential to get issues accomplished.

So I suppose, two-part query, one can be, you understand, is there a draw back once we let go of those fears? And in addition, as a result of I’ve heard this from now so many individuals, is there anybody of us that doesn’t face some type of that query? I type of suppose like, you understand, I believe we now have these inner questions that come as much as us and it’s like, am I adequate? Am I lovable? Am I worthy of respect? You already know, does everybody have that in some kind?

Rhonda: Yup. All people does, even the Dalai Lama. Yep. Completely. And I like that you just introduced up a worry of not being adequate as a result of that’s the generalized wheel of worry. So, you understand, we assist you discover your particular wheel of worry that’s distinctive to you. However usually, if we wanna say like, you understand, a generic…it’s a generic model of a wheel of worry is, you understand, all of us ultimately or one other really feel some form of feeling of not feeling adequate on some degree, proper?

After which with the Wheel of Concern, we type of personalize it and individualize it so it has extra oomph and extra like, “Oh God, sure, that’s it,” proper? So yeah, everyone has…that’s how the Wheel of Concern works. It’s how worry works in our neurobiology. Keep in mind, it’s about holding us secure. So what does that imply? That implies that your worry of not being adequate and no matter model that’s, personalised model, is since you at the moment are within the unknown, proper? Concern solely visits us once we’re within the unknown. It doesn’t are available once we’re consuming Doritos on the sofa watching our favourite present on Netflix, proper? It doesn’t come up. It solely comes up once we’re having a brand new thought, once we’re having a brand new expertise, once we’re, you understand, eager to take a step ahead. And once more, it could possibly be only a thought. It could possibly be only a thought. It’s not about simply taking motion. Our ideas scare the crap out of us.

So, you understand that not feeling adequate, you understand, says like, “Okay, see that is the unknown. We don’t know what to do.” And worry says, “I can’t assure your security. I can’t preserve you secure right here as a result of I don’t know what’s gonna occur,” as a result of neuroscience has proven now, Katie, that principally, the best way we’re wired is to take a look at the previous for a template, for our current scenario, okay? So we actually routinely, unconsciously, look previously for an answer to our current issues. And that’s why it appears like we’re repeating the previous despite the fact that it might look higher, it might have a unique identify, could, you understand, like, it didn’t come up for 2 years, however now we’re like, “Are you kidding me? It’s taking place once more. I believed I picked in another way this time,” proper? As a result of the mind and physique solely know the way to take a look at what’s already occurred, the recognized, to search for options to problem-solve.

So until you’re consciously awake and conscious to start out utilizing what’s known as the frontal lobe and begin making a brand new alternative, a unique alternative, and having the ability to step within the unknown, your computerized responses will at all times be based mostly on the previous. So, you understand, that worry not being adequate, you’re considering of opening that enterprise or falling in love or no matter, and it goes, “Oh nicely, let’s do it this manner.” You already know, and, “Oh by the best way,” it’s gonna carry up not feeling adequate. So when you’re gonna take a danger, when you’re gonna take a stretch, is what we name Stretch, Danger, or Die in Fearless Dwelling, once we begin taking Stretch, Danger, or Die, you understand, that worry goes to come back up since you at the moment are within the unknown and the Wheel of Concern will likely be triggered anytime you’re within the unknown, until you will have a unique course of, until you will have a unique method to take a look at the unknown.

However backside line is we’re made to remain secure. Our entire being is about security, is about holding us alive. And keep in mind, the mind doesn’t know the distinction between an emotional danger, emotional worry, versus a bodily worry. So that you desirous about falling in love, otherwise you desirous about getting married, otherwise you desirous about opening your corporation or shopping for a home or promoting a home, any of these issues, whether it is an unknown, worry will set off and go, “Sure, we don’t know what to do right here. We higher use a previous answer for the current drawback,” which in fact is most definitely ineffective, proper, for a lot of issues we wanna do.

So worry is triggered by the unknown. So I at all times say that freedom equals your capability to reside within the unknown. Freedom equals your capability to reside within the unknown. When you’re not succesful and never keen to reside within the unknown, which suggests the management freaks on the market, which so many people are, you understand, if we’re not keen to surrender management and truly step ahead into the unknown, the worry has you, worry owns you, proper? Concern has you. So all of us have that worry of not being adequate in no matter method it reveals up for us. It’s one thing distinctive. And our entire neurobiology and the best way we’re wired is to look previously for an answer to the current, which once more, most definitely is ineffective as a result of we’re in a unique setting, we’re in a unique age, we’re, you understand, in a unique scenario.

And in order that’s why we preserve feeling like we’re repeating ourselves over and over, despite the fact that we expect we’re selecting in another way. However we now have to be keen to step out into the unknown and change into masterful residing within the unknown as a way to even have the liberty that we really need and really need.

Katie: That is smart. And I believe one other factor that could be very top-of-mind for lots of people listening proper now, they in all probability perceive and might determine these items in their very own private lives. However then once we’re going through one thing that’s, you understand, large or out of our management or proper now like with international stuff occurring, or we’re going through fears of our youngsters getting sick or our mother and father getting sick or these actually large…you understand, life-threatening illness or continual sickness or issues which are larger than simply us having the ability to reside with the worry, what are some ideas for that? As a result of I believe we’re in a spot societally the place there may be plenty of overwhelm and nervousness and worry. And so I’d love to listen to your perception on how we are able to work by means of these issues that we are able to’t simply change.

Rhonda: Yeah. So the very first thing is that in fact, we now have to deal with ourselves from an actual sensible degree. You already know, we now have to be sure that we deal with what must be taken care of and never keep in, like, “Why is that this taking place to me?” As a result of “Why is that this taking place to me?” shouldn’t be useful and it doesn’t transfer us ahead. So, and why is it taking place to you is as a result of, you understand, we could know and we could not know, proper? We could not perceive the way it’s taking place to us. However as a substitute, it’s like, “Okay, so what are the sensible functions? What are the sensible issues that I have to do proper now to maintain myself bodily secure?” as a result of the very first thing that we at all times need to do is to maintain ourselves bodily secure.

So, you understand, trauma work is at all times about, you understand, when you don’t really feel emotionally secure, go to the bodily first and go, “Effectively, am I bodily secure?” Go searching you. Be sure, “Am I bodily secure?” When you’re bodily secure, then you can begin addressing the emotional fears, proper? In order that’s the very first thing is like, simply bodily, are you secure? You already know, do you will have all the pieces you want in place? And when you don’t, nice, then it’s time to problem-solve. Attain out, ask for assist, which, in fact, asking for assist is without doubt one of the best presents that we may give ourselves or one other human being. And it’s one of many issues that the majority of us don’t do.

So we now have to maneuver right into a deep degree of self-care, deep degree of connection, deep degree of seeing our personal innocence, shifting previous all the fears that we’ve had, about, you understand, needing assist or asking for assist or wanting connection. Like, we gotta get again right down to fundamentals of all of us have wants. I’ve a necessity, you will have a necessity, all of us have wants, and might we deal with our personal wants and might we deal with the wants of those we love? Proper? After which can we transfer into letting go what we’re not answerable for?

So I’ve an train that I’ve accomplished with many a shopper that’s known as Management, no Management. And I ask purchasers to get a bit of paper and, you understand, make two columns. What are they answerable for and what are they not answerable for? And begin itemizing all of the issues you’re answerable for and itemizing all of the stuff you’re not answerable for. And so all of the issues you’re answerable for, what are you able to do to truly take cost of that? Like what are the issues that you are able to do? And most of us deal with what we’re not answerable for, which will increase our nervousness, which will increase our overwhelm, which will increase our guilt, which will increase our, and so on., and so on., and so on., all of our fears. And we’re really not taking note of what we really are answerable for. So make the listing, make the listing of “What am I answerable for and what am I not answerable for?”

After which, you understand, when you’re a believer of God or any spirituality, the issues that aren’t in your management, simply hand them over, proper? And when you don’t have a non secular philosophy, then you definitely get to give up and let go from a human perspective and go, “Okay, I can solely management A, B, C, D, E, F,” as a result of I assure you, you’re in additional management than you suppose, “And the issues that I’m not answerable for, sure, I can ask for assist, I can search options, I can join in and so on.” Like these occasions proper now are asking us to be taught the talents we have to have the life that we wish, whatever the circumstances of our lives.

So that is asking us to achieve out when possibly we haven’t reached out, asking for assist when possibly we’ve been afraid to ask for assist. Being keen to face a worry of rejection or, you understand, and so on., you understand, caring about one another and caring about ourselves. So, you understand, worry needs us to isolate, i.e., actually like “I solely will deal with myself and I solely have two protect myself.” However actually, the true strategy to join, the true strategy to survive, the true strategy to broaden, the true strategy to reside our future is with one another.

And so write that listing of Management and never Management and begin doing the issues which you could management and be keen to…the issues you’ll be able to’t management, are you keen to ask for assist? Are you keen to achieve out? Are you keen to attach? And what are you keen to essentially observe letting go of that’s lower than you. It’s not gonna ever be as much as you. So what are you able to do? I believe that begins giving us our energy again as a result of our energy and our helplessness and our hopelessness occurs as a result of we solely deal with what we’re not answerable for.

So whenever you begin type of greedy and labeling and proudly owning what you’ll be able to management, you begin feeling a little bit bit extra highly effective. You begin feeling like, “Okay, I could make a distinction right here. And that’s gonna transfer you out of that worry zone into freedom zone.”

Katie: I like that. And I believe that ties into one thing that could be a theme by means of plenty of writers that I love, together with you and together with individuals like Victor Frankl who wrote ”Man’s Seek for Which means,” and most of the stoic philosophers that discuss, you understand, we don’t have management over the world or what occurs to us, however we do at all times have management over our reactions and the way we reply and even how we interpret these occasions.

And I reread Viktor Frankl yearly and it’s at all times such an excellent reminder as a result of, you understand, such as you, he’s been by means of issues a lot more durable than I’ve. And so when somebody who has been by means of…I like the quote, you understand, “Has been by means of the fireplace, comes out carrying water for the remainder of us,” it’s simply so inspiring. And so I believe that’s a beautiful reminder and centering place to think about is that we at all times have that facet of management, to decide on kindness, to decide on our response, to decide on gratitude and to decide on positivity. And I’m guessing there’s lots of people listening who plenty of that is resonating with them or they see elements of their lives and issues that you just’ve stated right this moment. I do know you’ve additionally written a number of books. So for somebody who’s simply type of delving into this for the primary time, the place do you advocate them beginning?

Rhonda: Effectively, very first thing that I would really like them to do is, in fact, in the event that they’re prepared and keen to learn ”Fearless Dwelling” or get the audiobook on audible, you understand, and so on., begin simply, you understand, listening over and over to know how your worry works. As a result of I believe once more, I believe one of many best presents that “Fearless Dwelling” offers to the world is a launch of disgrace. You already know, I do know when individuals discover their Wheel of Concern and Wheel of Freedom and actually perceive that it’s not them that’s doing this, you understand, not them that, you understand, is lazy, silly. That isn’t you. That isn’t your true nature and it’s solely a worry response and you actually see that that’s simply worry performing out to maintain you secure. And it’s not about you. The disgrace simply dissolves and melts away.

And I don’t find out about you, Katie, however you understand, disgrace ran my life for therefore many many years and that disgrace is the factor that stored me small, caught, and you understand, afraid. And after I may soften that disgrace away, I began having house and respiration room to start out actually occupying and proudly owning my life in a extra true method and actual genuine method. And so, you understand, so the very first thing is, sure, seize my e book, take heed to the e book.

The opposite factor that I’d invite you to do is I really…and Katie, I hope that is okay, however that is shifting by means of me proper now. So I hope you’re okay with this. However I’d like to present your of us an train known as Stretch, Danger or Die that I discussed earlier. And is that okay if I do this, Katie? I’m sorry, I didn’t ask you beforehand. It’s simply coming by means of me. Is that every one proper?

Katie: Certain.

Rhonda: So go to fearlessliving.org, fearlessliving.org/danger. So fearlessliving.org/rsk R-I-S-Ok and I’m gonna, I simply suppose this mini-course proper now of Stretch, Danger, or Die actually beginning to see how worry type of owns your selections and begin considering of selections in another way. There’s worksheets in there, there’s, you understand, three brief movies in there and you can begin doing an train instantly to start out serving to your self. And I describe it intimately. It’s known as Stretch, Danger, or Die. And it’s permitting you to start out shifting outdoors your consolation zone, and begin shifting within the path of freedom, to start out shifting into the path of the unknown. And once more, I offer you tons of sources in there, tons of templates, and so on. So go to fearlessliving.org/danger, R-I-S-Ok, and I believe this train goes to assist you instantly. It’s one in all my purchasers’ very favourite workouts, college students’, very favourite workouts.

So I’d like to present it to you proper now on this time that we’re residing in that will help you begin noticing, “Okay, that is why I’m not taking that Stretch, Danger, or Die. Okay, acquired it.” And now you’ll be able to. And that’s the present that I’d like to assist you with is saying sure to your self, sure to that instinct, sure to your bigger imaginative and prescient, sure to the true nature of who you’re, sure to the particular person you had been born to be. As a result of I do imagine that every one of us do have a future and worry is the one factor that stops that future from unfoldment. And I’m dedicated to serving to you, me, the world, reside their destinies and fulfill their destinies. And so I don’t need worry to run your life anymore. I would like you to run your life.

Katie: I like that. And I’ll be sure that all of the hyperlinks to all the pieces we’ve talked about, together with your books, and together with that, are within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. And I believe this can be a excellent beginning place for lots of people and I do know that folks can discover you and continue learning from you. However I recognize your time in being right here right this moment and for all of the work that you just do for therefore, so many individuals.

Rhonda: Thanks, Katie. What a present you’re to the world. I’m so grateful I get to know you. Thanks.

Katie: Thanks, and because of all of you as at all times, for listening, for sharing one in all your most respected sources, your time, with each of us right this moment. We’re so grateful that you just did and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the ”Wellness Mama” podcast.

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